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Entry   New power record in ThomX cavity, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics img1.jpg

today, we were able to store more than 93kW in the FP cavity, always with the same parameter : 33% laser amplifier ratio

    Reply   New power record in ThomX cavity, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics img1.jpg

today, we were able to store more than 94kW in the FP cavity, always with the same parameter : 33% laser amplifier ratio

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, we were able to store more than 93kW in the FP cavity, always with the same parameter : 33% laser amplifier ratio

 

       Reply   New power record in ThomX cavity, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics img1(2).jpg

today, we were able to store more than 95kW in the FP cavity, always with the same parameter : 33% laser amplifier ratio

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, we were able to store more than 94kW in the FP cavity, always with the same parameter : 33% laser amplifier ratio

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, we were able to store more than 93kW in the FP cavity, always with the same parameter : 33% laser amplifier ratio

 

 

          Reply   New power record in ThomX cavity, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 20250331_181029.jpg

today, we were able to store more than 97kW in the FP cavity, always with the same parameter : 33% laser amplifier ratio

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, we were able to store more than 95kW in the FP cavity, always with the same parameter : 33% laser amplifier ratio

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, we were able to store more than 94kW in the FP cavity, always with the same parameter : 33% laser amplifier ratio

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, we were able to store more than 93kW in the FP cavity, always with the same parameter : 33% laser amplifier ratio

 

 

 

             Reply   New power record in ThomX cavity, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics img1(3).jpg

yesterday, we were able to store more than 98kW in the FP cavity, always with the same parameter : 33% laser amplifier ratio

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, we were able to store more than 97kW in the FP cavity, always with the same parameter : 33% laser amplifier ratio

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, we were able to store more than 95kW in the FP cavity, always with the same parameter : 33% laser amplifier ratio

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, we were able to store more than 94kW in the FP cavity, always with the same parameter : 33% laser amplifier ratio

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, we were able to store more than 93kW in the FP cavity, always with the same parameter : 33% laser amplifier ratio

 

 

 

 

Entry   33MHz phase adjustment, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics | software 

the 33MHz beating signal (phase) is used to start and stop automatically the lock on the 500MHz beating signal.

this 33MHz beating phase has a fixed range (typically +/-0.5V), so it is important to center this beating phase in the middle of its own range when the 500MHz signal is locked

=> tune the 33MHz phase in order to get ~ 0V on 33MHz beating signal when the 500MHz locking is ON.

this can be done by using the python script "Write_Phase_Rigol_33MHz located in the path /tmp_mnt/data/shared/commissioning_scripts/common
 

Entry   air conditionning in ThomX Bunker, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics temp.png

The temperature slitly increase in thomx Bunker from 23° to 24° during the last day.

The thermalisation of the CFP is very long...

In any case the operation of the CFP is so easy, it seems to be correlated to the weather... tody it's very nice as of hte rest of the week.

The stored power is easily 94 KW and there is not jump or delock problems.

The temperature of the bunker continiusly increase and now we observe some delocking du to high frq perturbations... may be the twe things are correlated.

    Reply   air conditionning in ThomX Bunker, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics Sans_titre.png

after the new temperature setting for the bunker air cooling (winter to summer transition), the temperature drop from 24° to 20°C which induced a slight misalignment between the onefive oscillator and the fiber injection.
the amplifier photodiode PD_IN which checks the amplifier power injection drop also from 3mW to 2.885mW... hopefully, it is enough to start the amplifier without realignment.

but bad news, I don't see any transmission of the cavity... to be checked...

Ronic Chiche wrote:

The temperature slitly increase in thomx Bunker from 23° to 24° during the last day.

The thermalisation of the CFP is very long...

In any case the operation of the CFP is so easy, it seems to be correlated to the weather... tody it's very nice as of hte rest of the week.

The stored power is easily 94 KW and there is not jump or delock problems.

The temperature of the bunker continiusly increase and now we observe some delocking du to high frq perturbations... may be the twe things are correlated.

 

       Reply   air conditionning in ThomX Bunker, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

I finally got 93-94kW for 33% amp ratio.

I had to move the FP-cavity length to compensate the temperature change in the bunker.
doing that, I had the message "Low Limit SW pressed" when I tried to move P4z under -98 000 steps !!!
=> so, maybe this number is not the correct steps number and we are much closer to the end than we could expect.
=> could it be the reason for the 20Hz noise related to the too strong springs, as we already observed before ?

in the meantime, I changed the use of the P1z and P4z motors to not face the situation again.
so, P4z will be used to move to higher steps (even if its apparent position seems higher than P1z).
and P1z will be used to move to lower steps.

surprinsingly, the CEP position was almost already optimized...
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

after the new temperature setting for the bunker air cooling (winter to summer transition), the temperature drop from 24° to 20°C which induced a slight misalignment between the onefive oscillator and the fiber injection.
the amplifier photodiode PD_IN which checks the amplifier power injection drop also from 3mW to 2.885mW... hopefully, it is enough to start the amplifier without realignment.

but bad news, I don't see any transmission of the cavity... to be checked...

Ronic Chiche wrote:

The temperature slitly increase in thomx Bunker from 23° to 24° during the last day.

The thermalisation of the CFP is very long...

In any case the operation of the CFP is so easy, it seems to be correlated to the weather... tody it's very nice as of hte rest of the week.

The stored power is easily 94 KW and there is not jump or delock problems.

The temperature of the bunker continiusly increase and now we observe some delocking du to high frq perturbations... may be the twe things are correlated.

 

 

Entry   Electrons-Photons phase stability measurement, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics img1(1).jpg

we installed a measurement at the IP with the BPM for ion cleaning for electrons and we used a fast photodiode at the output of the FP-cavity and measured with a fast oscilloscope the phase jitter between the 2 signals.
in red, the BPM signal
in blue, the photodiode signal.

on the right of the picture, this is the trend of the phase difference measurement.
in yellow, this is the histogram of this phase difference.

one measured 35ps of FWHM which is equivalent to 15ps rms for a Gaussian distribution.

    Reply   Electrons-Photons phase stability measurement, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

the phase between the 500Mhz ring RF oscillator and the electrons is measured on a BPM and is very stable after 2-3ms (<< 6ps, typically) !

in the same time, we can use the residual phase beating after our 500MHz mixer to estimate the phase noise coming from the laser part.
the rms noise of this signal is around 60mV for 1.25V peak (2.5 pk-pk) signal => ~ 50mrad rms

dt = dphi / 2pi * 2ns ~ 15 ps which is the noise measured between electrons and photons at the IP !!!

we clearly see that this rms noise level is correlated with the 20Hz oscillation observed on the FPC feedback signals.

BUT even when this rms phase noise varies, we DO NOT see any effect on the X-ray production at this time,
which means this is not yet a limiting factor.
this observation is confirmed by the X-ray production flux calculation for which the time jitter is "added" to the electron beam size parameter which seems to be dominant.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

we installed a measurement at the IP with the BPM for ion cleaning for electrons and we used a fast photodiode at the output of the FP-cavity and measured with a fast oscilloscope the phase jitter between the 2 signals.
in red, the BPM signal
in blue, the photodiode signal.

on the right of the picture, this is the trend of the phase difference measurement.
in yellow, this is the histogram of this phase difference.

one measured 35ps of FWHM which is equivalent to 15ps rms for a Gaussian distribution.

 

Entry   New direction for cavity motors, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | software 

from now on, one reverts the FP cavity motors direction to compensate the long drift from the begining of the project.
the motor MOT.06 will be used for the upward direction (presently -1 082 650 steps)
and the motor MOT.03 will be used for the downward direction (presently +37 170 steps)

after CEP and walking alignment tuning, I got quickly 92kW.

the new MOT.06 and MOT.03 positions are : -1 071670 steps and +34 110 steps.
the CEP motor is at +345µm

Entry   Good Xrays production trend, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics | software img1(1).jpg

this afternoon, we succeeded to get a quite long Xray production trend around 15-20 minutes with a flux above 25k on i1.

Entry   strange drift (new effect !?!), posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about software 

today, we had a strange effect :
both the laser and the FP cavity were locked on the RF frequency (500.10045 MHz), and we were producing X-rays but with a slowing (several seconds) fluctuation exactly as the electrons-photons phase was drifting and the fluctuation can goes to 0 Xrays produced even at the "right" phase.
but the ring people says there is no phase fluctuation in their measurements.
and I looked the baseline of the 500MHz beating (which is the synchronisation signal with electrons) and I didn't see any fluctuation either.

we tried 2 other ring frequencies : 500.10030 MHz and 500.1 MHz.
there were still X-rays production fluctuations but with a faster rate.
when we went back to 500.10045 MHz, we found back the same X-rays production fluctions at a slow rate.

to remove this effect, I had to add an integrator gain (I = 1e-6) in the Laselock in the FPC/RF loop.
this integrator was not used (I = 0) in the previous stable X-rays productions....

it means that we have now a slow phase fluctuation.
we have to check if we see these fluctuations in the 500MHz beating signal.
loosing the Xrays means we moved by the packet length dt ~ 50ps which is equivalent to 9° @ 500MHz of fluctuation.
with A= +/-1V signal, it would be equivalent to a drift of ~ A*(2pi*dt/T) ~ 157mV !!!
it is strange we didn't see it => to be checked !!!

conclusion : now, we have to put this I=1e-6 in the FPC/RF loop to get a stable Xray production.
but the locking acquisition works better with I=0.
so we need to remove it before starting to lock and then, when the lock is stable (but the X rays are poor), we need to put I=1e-6 => the Xray flux inscreases dramatically.


 

 

 

Entry   correlations between accelerometer and lock losses @ 20Hz, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics Capture1.JPGCapture.JPG

I installed an accelerometer setup in the bunker.
presently, the accelerometer is placed on top of the housing and its signal is connected to the 2nd scope (33MHz and 500MHz RF beating) on channel 4.
the FPC is locked to ~90kW.

the accelerometer noise is filtered on the Labview Signal Express software in order to focus on the 20Hz noise.
one applied a RII elliptic 5th order low pass filter at 30Hz.

the 20Hz noise can be seen on the PZT which always compensate for CFP frequency drifts.

figure 1 : example of typical accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) is quite (measurement on 4 seconds)

figure 2 : example of accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) exhibits some 20Hz noise (measurement on 10 seconds)

conclusion : there is no clear evidence of a correlation between accoustic noise outside of the housing (measured by the accelerometer) and the 20Hz noise in the laser PZT compensation.
=> putting the 2 signals on 2 different scopes doesn't help because the slow acquisition done is not synchronous.

next try : use the same scope and put the accelerometer inside the housing, for example on top of one of the FPC vessel.

 

    Reply   correlations between accelerometer and lock losses @ 20Hz, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

today I connected a copy of the laser PZT signal to the 2nd scope CH2 (with AC coupling to remove the DC offset) to be able to monitor synchronously the Accelerometer and laser PZT signals.
the accelerometer is still connected to the 2nd scope CH4 and placed on top of the housing.

I filtered both signals in the Labview Signal Express software with a low-pass filter at 30Hz to focus on low frequencies noise (~20Hz).

now, I need to wait to work with the bunker closed to compare with normal operation (if some people work in the same time in the bunker, obviously, we will get some correlation between the accelerometer and laser PZT signals.....)

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I installed an accelerometer setup in the bunker.
presently, the accelerometer is placed on top of the housing and its signal is connected to the 2nd scope (33MHz and 500MHz RF beating) on channel 4.
the FPC is locked to ~90kW.

the accelerometer noise is filtered on the Labview Signal Express software in order to focus on the 20Hz noise.
one applied a RII elliptic 5th order low pass filter at 30Hz.

the 20Hz noise can be seen on the PZT which always compensate for CFP frequency drifts.

figure 1 : example of typical accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) is quite (measurement on 4 seconds)

figure 2 : example of accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) exhibits some 20Hz noise (measurement on 10 seconds)

conclusion : there is no clear evidence of a correlation between accoustic noise outside of the housing (measured by the accelerometer) and the 20Hz noise in the laser PZT compensation.
=> putting the 2 signals on 2 different scopes doesn't help because the slow acquisition done is not synchronous.

next try : use the same scope and put the accelerometer inside the housing, for example on top of one of the FPC vessel.

 

 

       Reply   correlations between accelerometer and lock losses @ 20Hz, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics No_noise.JPGSlaping_door.JPGNoise1.JPGNoise2.JPGNoise3.JPG

this morning, I did some measurement with nobody interfering with the tests.

- the "no noise" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there is no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
most of the time, we are in this situation.

- the "slaping door" image shows the case where the large igloo door is opened and slaping when it closes.
the accelerometer and the PZT exhibit correlated noise when the door is slaping.
we can see a PZT "recovery" time longer than the perturbation.
but these events are rare and are not the source of the problematic perturbations.

- "noise 1,2,3" images show the typical situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise without any correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the housing.

=> conclusion, some external noise (to the housing) should not be the source of the perturbations on the PZT.

 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today I connected a copy of the laser PZT signal to the 2nd scope CH2 (with AC coupling to remove the DC offset) to be able to monitor synchronously the Accelerometer and laser PZT signals.
the accelerometer is still connected to the 2nd scope CH4 and placed on top of the housing.

I filtered both signals in the Labview Signal Express software with a low-pass filter at 30Hz to focus on low frequencies noise (~20Hz).

now, I need to wait to work with the bunker closed to compare with normal operation (if some people work in the same time in the bunker, obviously, we will get some correlation between the accelerometer and laser PZT signals.....)

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I installed an accelerometer setup in the bunker.
presently, the accelerometer is placed on top of the housing and its signal is connected to the 2nd scope (33MHz and 500MHz RF beating) on channel 4.
the FPC is locked to ~90kW.

the accelerometer noise is filtered on the Labview Signal Express software in order to focus on the 20Hz noise.
one applied a RII elliptic 5th order low pass filter at 30Hz.

the 20Hz noise can be seen on the PZT which always compensate for CFP frequency drifts.

figure 1 : example of typical accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) is quite (measurement on 4 seconds)

figure 2 : example of accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) exhibits some 20Hz noise (measurement on 10 seconds)

conclusion : there is no clear evidence of a correlation between accoustic noise outside of the housing (measured by the accelerometer) and the 20Hz noise in the laser PZT compensation.
=> putting the 2 signals on 2 different scopes doesn't help because the slow acquisition done is not synchronous.

next try : use the same scope and put the accelerometer inside the housing, for example on top of one of the FPC vessel.

 

 

 

          Reply   correlations between accelerometer and lock losses @ 20Hz, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 8x

then, I moved the accelerometer on top of the "X-hutch side" vessel, placed directly on the metal top case, inside the housing.

- the "no noise same range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
on can compare the noise level on the accelerometer with the previous post when it was outside on top of the housing.
its noise is much much lower... which means the housing is properly dumping the acoustic noise at this frequency around 20-30Hz.

so, we increase the accelerometer measurement sensitivity to better measure its noise.
- the "no noise new range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer but with a smaller range.

- the "noise 1,2,3" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with good correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the optical vessel.

- the "noise 1,2,3 not clear" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with correlation with accelerometer but the signal level is not the same as before.
this make me think the origin of the noise is maybe not coming from the inside of the optical vessel.

=> conclusion : we see for the first time a correlation between the PZT noise and some vibration/acoustic noise.
now, we have to investigate the precise origin of this noise (or the different sources).

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some measurement with nobody interfering with the tests.

- the "no noise" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there is no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
most of the time, we are in this situation.

- the "slaping door" image shows the case where the large igloo door is opened and slaping when it closes.
the accelerometer and the PZT exhibit correlated noise when the door is slaping.
we can see a PZT "recovery" time longer than the perturbation.
but these events are rare and are not the source of the problematic perturbations.

- "noise 1,2,3" images show the typical situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise without any correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the housing.

=> conclusion, some external noise (to the housing) should not be the source of the perturbations on the PZT.

 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today I connected a copy of the laser PZT signal to the 2nd scope CH2 (with AC coupling to remove the DC offset) to be able to monitor synchronously the Accelerometer and laser PZT signals.
the accelerometer is still connected to the 2nd scope CH4 and placed on top of the housing.

I filtered both signals in the Labview Signal Express software with a low-pass filter at 30Hz to focus on low frequencies noise (~20Hz).

now, I need to wait to work with the bunker closed to compare with normal operation (if some people work in the same time in the bunker, obviously, we will get some correlation between the accelerometer and laser PZT signals.....)

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I installed an accelerometer setup in the bunker.
presently, the accelerometer is placed on top of the housing and its signal is connected to the 2nd scope (33MHz and 500MHz RF beating) on channel 4.
the FPC is locked to ~90kW.

the accelerometer noise is filtered on the Labview Signal Express software in order to focus on the 20Hz noise.
one applied a RII elliptic 5th order low pass filter at 30Hz.

the 20Hz noise can be seen on the PZT which always compensate for CFP frequency drifts.

figure 1 : example of typical accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) is quite (measurement on 4 seconds)

figure 2 : example of accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) exhibits some 20Hz noise (measurement on 10 seconds)

conclusion : there is no clear evidence of a correlation between accoustic noise outside of the housing (measured by the accelerometer) and the 20Hz noise in the laser PZT compensation.
=> putting the 2 signals on 2 different scopes doesn't help because the slow acquisition done is not synchronous.

next try : use the same scope and put the accelerometer inside the housing, for example on top of one of the FPC vessel.

 

 

 

 

             Reply   correlations between accelerometer and lock losses @ 20Hz, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

at the end of the day, I moved the accelerometer from the top of the cavity vessel to the top case of the Onefive laser.

I quickly saw again quite strong correlations between the vibrations compensated by the PZT and the accelerometer signal.
when one does a laser motor step which makes a systematic lock loss, one doesn't see any signal on the accelerometer.
=> more measurements have to be done.

I would like also to put also the accelerometer on the mechanics attached to the pipe at the IP.
=> to be discussed to find the best place as a lot of cables, the 2 dipoles and the aluminium sheets around the vacuum stufs don't let a lot of place to put the accelerometer....

Ronic Chiche wrote:

then, I moved the accelerometer on top of the "X-hutch side" vessel, placed directly on the metal top case, inside the housing.

- the "no noise same range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
on can compare the noise level on the accelerometer with the previous post when it was outside on top of the housing.
its noise is much much lower... which means the housing is properly dumping the acoustic noise at this frequency around 20-30Hz.

so, we increase the accelerometer measurement sensitivity to better measure its noise.
- the "no noise new range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer but with a smaller range.

- the "noise 1,2,3" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with good correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the optical vessel.

- the "noise 1,2,3 not clear" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with correlation with accelerometer but the signal level is not the same as before.
this make me think the origin of the noise is maybe not coming from the inside of the optical vessel.

=> conclusion : we see for the first time a correlation between the PZT noise and some vibration/acoustic noise.
now, we have to investigate the precise origin of this noise (or the different sources).

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some measurement with nobody interfering with the tests.

- the "no noise" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there is no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
most of the time, we are in this situation.

- the "slaping door" image shows the case where the large igloo door is opened and slaping when it closes.
the accelerometer and the PZT exhibit correlated noise when the door is slaping.
we can see a PZT "recovery" time longer than the perturbation.
but these events are rare and are not the source of the problematic perturbations.

- "noise 1,2,3" images show the typical situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise without any correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the housing.

=> conclusion, some external noise (to the housing) should not be the source of the perturbations on the PZT.

 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today I connected a copy of the laser PZT signal to the 2nd scope CH2 (with AC coupling to remove the DC offset) to be able to monitor synchronously the Accelerometer and laser PZT signals.
the accelerometer is still connected to the 2nd scope CH4 and placed on top of the housing.

I filtered both signals in the Labview Signal Express software with a low-pass filter at 30Hz to focus on low frequencies noise (~20Hz).

now, I need to wait to work with the bunker closed to compare with normal operation (if some people work in the same time in the bunker, obviously, we will get some correlation between the accelerometer and laser PZT signals.....)

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I installed an accelerometer setup in the bunker.
presently, the accelerometer is placed on top of the housing and its signal is connected to the 2nd scope (33MHz and 500MHz RF beating) on channel 4.
the FPC is locked to ~90kW.

the accelerometer noise is filtered on the Labview Signal Express software in order to focus on the 20Hz noise.
one applied a RII elliptic 5th order low pass filter at 30Hz.

the 20Hz noise can be seen on the PZT which always compensate for CFP frequency drifts.

figure 1 : example of typical accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) is quite (measurement on 4 seconds)

figure 2 : example of accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) exhibits some 20Hz noise (measurement on 10 seconds)

conclusion : there is no clear evidence of a correlation between accoustic noise outside of the housing (measured by the accelerometer) and the 20Hz noise in the laser PZT compensation.
=> putting the 2 signals on 2 different scopes doesn't help because the slow acquisition done is not synchronous.

next try : use the same scope and put the accelerometer inside the housing, for example on top of one of the FPC vessel.

 

 

 

 

 

                Reply   correlations between accelerometer and lock losses @ 20Hz, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 6x

this morning, I did some new plots with the accelerometer placed on the top of the case of the OneFive laser.
I previously observed with the accelerometer placed on the top of one cavity vessel, the correlation between the accelerometer signal and the PZT noise is pretty good but not 100%.

I will move the accelerometer on the optical cavity table.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

at the end of the day, I moved the accelerometer from the top of the cavity vessel to the top case of the Onefive laser.

I quickly saw again quite strong correlations between the vibrations compensated by the PZT and the accelerometer signal.
when one does a laser motor step which makes a systematic lock loss, one doesn't see any signal on the accelerometer.
=> more measurements have to be done.

I would like also to put also the accelerometer on the mechanics attached to the pipe at the IP.
=> to be discussed to find the best place as a lot of cables, the 2 dipoles and the aluminium sheets around the vacuum stufs don't let a lot of place to put the accelerometer....

Ronic Chiche wrote:

then, I moved the accelerometer on top of the "X-hutch side" vessel, placed directly on the metal top case, inside the housing.

- the "no noise same range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
on can compare the noise level on the accelerometer with the previous post when it was outside on top of the housing.
its noise is much much lower... which means the housing is properly dumping the acoustic noise at this frequency around 20-30Hz.

so, we increase the accelerometer measurement sensitivity to better measure its noise.
- the "no noise new range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer but with a smaller range.

- the "noise 1,2,3" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with good correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the optical vessel.

- the "noise 1,2,3 not clear" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with correlation with accelerometer but the signal level is not the same as before.
this make me think the origin of the noise is maybe not coming from the inside of the optical vessel.

=> conclusion : we see for the first time a correlation between the PZT noise and some vibration/acoustic noise.
now, we have to investigate the precise origin of this noise (or the different sources).

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some measurement with nobody interfering with the tests.

- the "no noise" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there is no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
most of the time, we are in this situation.

- the "slaping door" image shows the case where the large igloo door is opened and slaping when it closes.
the accelerometer and the PZT exhibit correlated noise when the door is slaping.
we can see a PZT "recovery" time longer than the perturbation.
but these events are rare and are not the source of the problematic perturbations.

- "noise 1,2,3" images show the typical situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise without any correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the housing.

=> conclusion, some external noise (to the housing) should not be the source of the perturbations on the PZT.

 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today I connected a copy of the laser PZT signal to the 2nd scope CH2 (with AC coupling to remove the DC offset) to be able to monitor synchronously the Accelerometer and laser PZT signals.
the accelerometer is still connected to the 2nd scope CH4 and placed on top of the housing.

I filtered both signals in the Labview Signal Express software with a low-pass filter at 30Hz to focus on low frequencies noise (~20Hz).

now, I need to wait to work with the bunker closed to compare with normal operation (if some people work in the same time in the bunker, obviously, we will get some correlation between the accelerometer and laser PZT signals.....)

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I installed an accelerometer setup in the bunker.
presently, the accelerometer is placed on top of the housing and its signal is connected to the 2nd scope (33MHz and 500MHz RF beating) on channel 4.
the FPC is locked to ~90kW.

the accelerometer noise is filtered on the Labview Signal Express software in order to focus on the 20Hz noise.
one applied a RII elliptic 5th order low pass filter at 30Hz.

the 20Hz noise can be seen on the PZT which always compensate for CFP frequency drifts.

figure 1 : example of typical accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) is quite (measurement on 4 seconds)

figure 2 : example of accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) exhibits some 20Hz noise (measurement on 10 seconds)

conclusion : there is no clear evidence of a correlation between accoustic noise outside of the housing (measured by the accelerometer) and the 20Hz noise in the laser PZT compensation.
=> putting the 2 signals on 2 different scopes doesn't help because the slow acquisition done is not synchronous.

next try : use the same scope and put the accelerometer inside the housing, for example on top of one of the FPC vessel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                   Reply   correlations between accelerometer and lock losses @ 20Hz, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 7x

new plots, with the accelerometer placed directly on the optical cavity table (on the marble part), close to the oscillator.
the correlation seems a bit better....

we would need to put the accelerometer on one foot of the table to check if the table has not some micro-movement or at the IP to check if the water in the dipole are doing some vibrations.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some new plots with the accelerometer placed on the top of the case of the OneFive laser.
I previously observed with the accelerometer placed on the top of one cavity vessel, the correlation between the accelerometer signal and the PZT noise is pretty good but not 100%.

I will move the accelerometer on the optical cavity table.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

at the end of the day, I moved the accelerometer from the top of the cavity vessel to the top case of the Onefive laser.

I quickly saw again quite strong correlations between the vibrations compensated by the PZT and the accelerometer signal.
when one does a laser motor step which makes a systematic lock loss, one doesn't see any signal on the accelerometer.
=> more measurements have to be done.

I would like also to put also the accelerometer on the mechanics attached to the pipe at the IP.
=> to be discussed to find the best place as a lot of cables, the 2 dipoles and the aluminium sheets around the vacuum stufs don't let a lot of place to put the accelerometer....

Ronic Chiche wrote:

then, I moved the accelerometer on top of the "X-hutch side" vessel, placed directly on the metal top case, inside the housing.

- the "no noise same range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
on can compare the noise level on the accelerometer with the previous post when it was outside on top of the housing.
its noise is much much lower... which means the housing is properly dumping the acoustic noise at this frequency around 20-30Hz.

so, we increase the accelerometer measurement sensitivity to better measure its noise.
- the "no noise new range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer but with a smaller range.

- the "noise 1,2,3" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with good correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the optical vessel.

- the "noise 1,2,3 not clear" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with correlation with accelerometer but the signal level is not the same as before.
this make me think the origin of the noise is maybe not coming from the inside of the optical vessel.

=> conclusion : we see for the first time a correlation between the PZT noise and some vibration/acoustic noise.
now, we have to investigate the precise origin of this noise (or the different sources).

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some measurement with nobody interfering with the tests.

- the "no noise" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there is no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
most of the time, we are in this situation.

- the "slaping door" image shows the case where the large igloo door is opened and slaping when it closes.
the accelerometer and the PZT exhibit correlated noise when the door is slaping.
we can see a PZT "recovery" time longer than the perturbation.
but these events are rare and are not the source of the problematic perturbations.

- "noise 1,2,3" images show the typical situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise without any correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the housing.

=> conclusion, some external noise (to the housing) should not be the source of the perturbations on the PZT.

 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today I connected a copy of the laser PZT signal to the 2nd scope CH2 (with AC coupling to remove the DC offset) to be able to monitor synchronously the Accelerometer and laser PZT signals.
the accelerometer is still connected to the 2nd scope CH4 and placed on top of the housing.

I filtered both signals in the Labview Signal Express software with a low-pass filter at 30Hz to focus on low frequencies noise (~20Hz).

now, I need to wait to work with the bunker closed to compare with normal operation (if some people work in the same time in the bunker, obviously, we will get some correlation between the accelerometer and laser PZT signals.....)

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I installed an accelerometer setup in the bunker.
presently, the accelerometer is placed on top of the housing and its signal is connected to the 2nd scope (33MHz and 500MHz RF beating) on channel 4.
the FPC is locked to ~90kW.

the accelerometer noise is filtered on the Labview Signal Express software in order to focus on the 20Hz noise.
one applied a RII elliptic 5th order low pass filter at 30Hz.

the 20Hz noise can be seen on the PZT which always compensate for CFP frequency drifts.

figure 1 : example of typical accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) is quite (measurement on 4 seconds)

figure 2 : example of accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) exhibits some 20Hz noise (measurement on 10 seconds)

conclusion : there is no clear evidence of a correlation between accoustic noise outside of the housing (measured by the accelerometer) and the 20Hz noise in the laser PZT compensation.
=> putting the 2 signals on 2 different scopes doesn't help because the slow acquisition done is not synchronous.

next try : use the same scope and put the accelerometer inside the housing, for example on top of one of the FPC vessel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                      Reply   correlations between accelerometer and lock losses @ 20Hz, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

one possible source for this acoustic noise was the vibrations coming from the water cooling of the dipoles which is normally never turned off even when the machine is off.

this afternoon, Kevin turned off the main valve of the water cooling of half of the dipoles (the half on the FPC side), and we recorded the peak-peak value of accelerometer signal on a long trend (~20mn) but we didn't see a clear difference before and after.

I keep recording the accelerometer pk-pk signal during the night in case of one could see something different...

Ronic Chiche wrote:

new plots, with the accelerometer placed directly on the optical cavity table (on the marble part), close to the oscillator.
the correlation seems a bit better....

we would need to put the accelerometer on one foot of the table to check if the table has not some micro-movement or at the IP to check if the water in the dipole are doing some vibrations.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some new plots with the accelerometer placed on the top of the case of the OneFive laser.
I previously observed with the accelerometer placed on the top of one cavity vessel, the correlation between the accelerometer signal and the PZT noise is pretty good but not 100%.

I will move the accelerometer on the optical cavity table.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

at the end of the day, I moved the accelerometer from the top of the cavity vessel to the top case of the Onefive laser.

I quickly saw again quite strong correlations between the vibrations compensated by the PZT and the accelerometer signal.
when one does a laser motor step which makes a systematic lock loss, one doesn't see any signal on the accelerometer.
=> more measurements have to be done.

I would like also to put also the accelerometer on the mechanics attached to the pipe at the IP.
=> to be discussed to find the best place as a lot of cables, the 2 dipoles and the aluminium sheets around the vacuum stufs don't let a lot of place to put the accelerometer....

Ronic Chiche wrote:

then, I moved the accelerometer on top of the "X-hutch side" vessel, placed directly on the metal top case, inside the housing.

- the "no noise same range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
on can compare the noise level on the accelerometer with the previous post when it was outside on top of the housing.
its noise is much much lower... which means the housing is properly dumping the acoustic noise at this frequency around 20-30Hz.

so, we increase the accelerometer measurement sensitivity to better measure its noise.
- the "no noise new range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer but with a smaller range.

- the "noise 1,2,3" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with good correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the optical vessel.

- the "noise 1,2,3 not clear" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with correlation with accelerometer but the signal level is not the same as before.
this make me think the origin of the noise is maybe not coming from the inside of the optical vessel.

=> conclusion : we see for the first time a correlation between the PZT noise and some vibration/acoustic noise.
now, we have to investigate the precise origin of this noise (or the different sources).

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some measurement with nobody interfering with the tests.

- the "no noise" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there is no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
most of the time, we are in this situation.

- the "slaping door" image shows the case where the large igloo door is opened and slaping when it closes.
the accelerometer and the PZT exhibit correlated noise when the door is slaping.
we can see a PZT "recovery" time longer than the perturbation.
but these events are rare and are not the source of the problematic perturbations.

- "noise 1,2,3" images show the typical situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise without any correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the housing.

=> conclusion, some external noise (to the housing) should not be the source of the perturbations on the PZT.

 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today I connected a copy of the laser PZT signal to the 2nd scope CH2 (with AC coupling to remove the DC offset) to be able to monitor synchronously the Accelerometer and laser PZT signals.
the accelerometer is still connected to the 2nd scope CH4 and placed on top of the housing.

I filtered both signals in the Labview Signal Express software with a low-pass filter at 30Hz to focus on low frequencies noise (~20Hz).

now, I need to wait to work with the bunker closed to compare with normal operation (if some people work in the same time in the bunker, obviously, we will get some correlation between the accelerometer and laser PZT signals.....)

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I installed an accelerometer setup in the bunker.
presently, the accelerometer is placed on top of the housing and its signal is connected to the 2nd scope (33MHz and 500MHz RF beating) on channel 4.
the FPC is locked to ~90kW.

the accelerometer noise is filtered on the Labview Signal Express software in order to focus on the 20Hz noise.
one applied a RII elliptic 5th order low pass filter at 30Hz.

the 20Hz noise can be seen on the PZT which always compensate for CFP frequency drifts.

figure 1 : example of typical accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) is quite (measurement on 4 seconds)

figure 2 : example of accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) exhibits some 20Hz noise (measurement on 10 seconds)

conclusion : there is no clear evidence of a correlation between accoustic noise outside of the housing (measured by the accelerometer) and the 20Hz noise in the laser PZT compensation.
=> putting the 2 signals on 2 different scopes doesn't help because the slow acquisition done is not synchronous.

next try : use the same scope and put the accelerometer inside the housing, for example on top of one of the FPC vessel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                         Reply   correlations between accelerometer and lock losses @ 20Hz, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics Capture.JPG

here is the pk-pk measurement of the accelerometer during the whole night.
the recording started at 5pm yesterday and has been stopped this morning at 10am.

one got 28k points in 17 hours => 1.65k points / h

the "last" peak in the evening at 8.5k points is equivalent to 10pm.
the "fisrt" peaks in the morning at 23k points is equivalent to 7am.

I discussed with Jean-Noël but we don't any clear correlation of this schedule with some equipment schedule in ThomX....

I restarted a new acquisition at 10.30am.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

one possible source for this acoustic noise was the vibrations coming from the water cooling of the dipoles which is normally never turned off even when the machine is off.

this afternoon, Kevin turned off the main valve of the water cooling of half of the dipoles (the half on the FPC side), and we recorded the peak-peak value of accelerometer signal on a long trend (~20mn) but we didn't see a clear difference before and after.

I keep recording the accelerometer pk-pk signal during the night in case of one could see something different...

Ronic Chiche wrote:

new plots, with the accelerometer placed directly on the optical cavity table (on the marble part), close to the oscillator.
the correlation seems a bit better....

we would need to put the accelerometer on one foot of the table to check if the table has not some micro-movement or at the IP to check if the water in the dipole are doing some vibrations.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some new plots with the accelerometer placed on the top of the case of the OneFive laser.
I previously observed with the accelerometer placed on the top of one cavity vessel, the correlation between the accelerometer signal and the PZT noise is pretty good but not 100%.

I will move the accelerometer on the optical cavity table.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

at the end of the day, I moved the accelerometer from the top of the cavity vessel to the top case of the Onefive laser.

I quickly saw again quite strong correlations between the vibrations compensated by the PZT and the accelerometer signal.
when one does a laser motor step which makes a systematic lock loss, one doesn't see any signal on the accelerometer.
=> more measurements have to be done.

I would like also to put also the accelerometer on the mechanics attached to the pipe at the IP.
=> to be discussed to find the best place as a lot of cables, the 2 dipoles and the aluminium sheets around the vacuum stufs don't let a lot of place to put the accelerometer....

Ronic Chiche wrote:

then, I moved the accelerometer on top of the "X-hutch side" vessel, placed directly on the metal top case, inside the housing.

- the "no noise same range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
on can compare the noise level on the accelerometer with the previous post when it was outside on top of the housing.
its noise is much much lower... which means the housing is properly dumping the acoustic noise at this frequency around 20-30Hz.

so, we increase the accelerometer measurement sensitivity to better measure its noise.
- the "no noise new range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer but with a smaller range.

- the "noise 1,2,3" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with good correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the optical vessel.

- the "noise 1,2,3 not clear" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with correlation with accelerometer but the signal level is not the same as before.
this make me think the origin of the noise is maybe not coming from the inside of the optical vessel.

=> conclusion : we see for the first time a correlation between the PZT noise and some vibration/acoustic noise.
now, we have to investigate the precise origin of this noise (or the different sources).

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some measurement with nobody interfering with the tests.

- the "no noise" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there is no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
most of the time, we are in this situation.

- the "slaping door" image shows the case where the large igloo door is opened and slaping when it closes.
the accelerometer and the PZT exhibit correlated noise when the door is slaping.
we can see a PZT "recovery" time longer than the perturbation.
but these events are rare and are not the source of the problematic perturbations.

- "noise 1,2,3" images show the typical situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise without any correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the housing.

=> conclusion, some external noise (to the housing) should not be the source of the perturbations on the PZT.

 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today I connected a copy of the laser PZT signal to the 2nd scope CH2 (with AC coupling to remove the DC offset) to be able to monitor synchronously the Accelerometer and laser PZT signals.
the accelerometer is still connected to the 2nd scope CH4 and placed on top of the housing.

I filtered both signals in the Labview Signal Express software with a low-pass filter at 30Hz to focus on low frequencies noise (~20Hz).

now, I need to wait to work with the bunker closed to compare with normal operation (if some people work in the same time in the bunker, obviously, we will get some correlation between the accelerometer and laser PZT signals.....)

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I installed an accelerometer setup in the bunker.
presently, the accelerometer is placed on top of the housing and its signal is connected to the 2nd scope (33MHz and 500MHz RF beating) on channel 4.
the FPC is locked to ~90kW.

the accelerometer noise is filtered on the Labview Signal Express software in order to focus on the 20Hz noise.
one applied a RII elliptic 5th order low pass filter at 30Hz.

the 20Hz noise can be seen on the PZT which always compensate for CFP frequency drifts.

figure 1 : example of typical accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) is quite (measurement on 4 seconds)

figure 2 : example of accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) exhibits some 20Hz noise (measurement on 10 seconds)

conclusion : there is no clear evidence of a correlation between accoustic noise outside of the housing (measured by the accelerometer) and the 20Hz noise in the laser PZT compensation.
=> putting the 2 signals on 2 different scopes doesn't help because the slow acquisition done is not synchronous.

next try : use the same scope and put the accelerometer inside the housing, for example on top of one of the FPC vessel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                            Reply   correlations between accelerometer and lock losses @ 20Hz, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics Capture.JPG

here is the acquisition from 10:30am to 5:30pm

11k point in 7h => 1.57k points / h

the noise is almost the same during the daylight, a little bit increasing from 1:30pm.

I restarted an acquisition at 5:30pm to check if the noise reduction during the night is repeatable or not....

Ronic Chiche wrote:

here is the pk-pk measurement of the accelerometer during the whole night.
the recording started at 5pm yesterday and has been stopped this morning at 10am.

one got 28k points in 17 hours => 1.65k points / h

the "last" peak in the evening at 8.5k points is equivalent to 10pm.
the "fisrt" peaks in the morning at 23k points is equivalent to 7am.

I discussed with Jean-Noël but we don't any clear correlation of this schedule with some equipment schedule in ThomX....

I restarted a new acquisition at 10.30am.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

one possible source for this acoustic noise was the vibrations coming from the water cooling of the dipoles which is normally never turned off even when the machine is off.

this afternoon, Kevin turned off the main valve of the water cooling of half of the dipoles (the half on the FPC side), and we recorded the peak-peak value of accelerometer signal on a long trend (~20mn) but we didn't see a clear difference before and after.

I keep recording the accelerometer pk-pk signal during the night in case of one could see something different...

Ronic Chiche wrote:

new plots, with the accelerometer placed directly on the optical cavity table (on the marble part), close to the oscillator.
the correlation seems a bit better....

we would need to put the accelerometer on one foot of the table to check if the table has not some micro-movement or at the IP to check if the water in the dipole are doing some vibrations.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some new plots with the accelerometer placed on the top of the case of the OneFive laser.
I previously observed with the accelerometer placed on the top of one cavity vessel, the correlation between the accelerometer signal and the PZT noise is pretty good but not 100%.

I will move the accelerometer on the optical cavity table.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

at the end of the day, I moved the accelerometer from the top of the cavity vessel to the top case of the Onefive laser.

I quickly saw again quite strong correlations between the vibrations compensated by the PZT and the accelerometer signal.
when one does a laser motor step which makes a systematic lock loss, one doesn't see any signal on the accelerometer.
=> more measurements have to be done.

I would like also to put also the accelerometer on the mechanics attached to the pipe at the IP.
=> to be discussed to find the best place as a lot of cables, the 2 dipoles and the aluminium sheets around the vacuum stufs don't let a lot of place to put the accelerometer....

Ronic Chiche wrote:

then, I moved the accelerometer on top of the "X-hutch side" vessel, placed directly on the metal top case, inside the housing.

- the "no noise same range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
on can compare the noise level on the accelerometer with the previous post when it was outside on top of the housing.
its noise is much much lower... which means the housing is properly dumping the acoustic noise at this frequency around 20-30Hz.

so, we increase the accelerometer measurement sensitivity to better measure its noise.
- the "no noise new range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer but with a smaller range.

- the "noise 1,2,3" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with good correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the optical vessel.

- the "noise 1,2,3 not clear" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with correlation with accelerometer but the signal level is not the same as before.
this make me think the origin of the noise is maybe not coming from the inside of the optical vessel.

=> conclusion : we see for the first time a correlation between the PZT noise and some vibration/acoustic noise.
now, we have to investigate the precise origin of this noise (or the different sources).

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some measurement with nobody interfering with the tests.

- the "no noise" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there is no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
most of the time, we are in this situation.

- the "slaping door" image shows the case where the large igloo door is opened and slaping when it closes.
the accelerometer and the PZT exhibit correlated noise when the door is slaping.
we can see a PZT "recovery" time longer than the perturbation.
but these events are rare and are not the source of the problematic perturbations.

- "noise 1,2,3" images show the typical situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise without any correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the housing.

=> conclusion, some external noise (to the housing) should not be the source of the perturbations on the PZT.

 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today I connected a copy of the laser PZT signal to the 2nd scope CH2 (with AC coupling to remove the DC offset) to be able to monitor synchronously the Accelerometer and laser PZT signals.
the accelerometer is still connected to the 2nd scope CH4 and placed on top of the housing.

I filtered both signals in the Labview Signal Express software with a low-pass filter at 30Hz to focus on low frequencies noise (~20Hz).

now, I need to wait to work with the bunker closed to compare with normal operation (if some people work in the same time in the bunker, obviously, we will get some correlation between the accelerometer and laser PZT signals.....)

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I installed an accelerometer setup in the bunker.
presently, the accelerometer is placed on top of the housing and its signal is connected to the 2nd scope (33MHz and 500MHz RF beating) on channel 4.
the FPC is locked to ~90kW.

the accelerometer noise is filtered on the Labview Signal Express software in order to focus on the 20Hz noise.
one applied a RII elliptic 5th order low pass filter at 30Hz.

the 20Hz noise can be seen on the PZT which always compensate for CFP frequency drifts.

figure 1 : example of typical accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) is quite (measurement on 4 seconds)

figure 2 : example of accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) exhibits some 20Hz noise (measurement on 10 seconds)

conclusion : there is no clear evidence of a correlation between accoustic noise outside of the housing (measured by the accelerometer) and the 20Hz noise in the laser PZT compensation.
=> putting the 2 signals on 2 different scopes doesn't help because the slow acquisition done is not synchronous.

next try : use the same scope and put the accelerometer inside the housing, for example on top of one of the FPC vessel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                               Reply   correlations between accelerometer and lock losses @ 20Hz, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics Capture.JPG

here is the same kind of measurement (pk-pk of 1 sec of acquisition) done on the laser PZT when the FP is at 90kW.
it's from 6:20pm to 7:10pm => ~2.4s by point

the minimum values are for the PZT being off.
the maximum values are for PZT scanning or lock loss.

in between, we get the measurements of the perturbations.

at 6:30pm (~250 points), Jean-Noel stopped all the water cooling circuit of ThomX.
at 6:46pm (~650 points), Jean-Noel restarted the main water cooling circuit.
at 7pm (~1000 points), Jean-Noel restarted all the water cooling circuit.
at 7:10pm (~1250 points) => we stopped the acquisition.

conclusion : no clear effect of the water cooling circuit on the locking stability.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

here is the acquisition from 10:30am to 5:30pm

11k point in 7h => 1.57k points / h

the noise is almost the same during the daylight, a little bit increasing from 1:30pm.

I restarted an acquisition at 5:30pm to check if the noise reduction during the night is repeatable or not....

Ronic Chiche wrote:

here is the pk-pk measurement of the accelerometer during the whole night.
the recording started at 5pm yesterday and has been stopped this morning at 10am.

one got 28k points in 17 hours => 1.65k points / h

the "last" peak in the evening at 8.5k points is equivalent to 10pm.
the "fisrt" peaks in the morning at 23k points is equivalent to 7am.

I discussed with Jean-Noël but we don't any clear correlation of this schedule with some equipment schedule in ThomX....

I restarted a new acquisition at 10.30am.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

one possible source for this acoustic noise was the vibrations coming from the water cooling of the dipoles which is normally never turned off even when the machine is off.

this afternoon, Kevin turned off the main valve of the water cooling of half of the dipoles (the half on the FPC side), and we recorded the peak-peak value of accelerometer signal on a long trend (~20mn) but we didn't see a clear difference before and after.

I keep recording the accelerometer pk-pk signal during the night in case of one could see something different...

Ronic Chiche wrote:

new plots, with the accelerometer placed directly on the optical cavity table (on the marble part), close to the oscillator.
the correlation seems a bit better....

we would need to put the accelerometer on one foot of the table to check if the table has not some micro-movement or at the IP to check if the water in the dipole are doing some vibrations.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some new plots with the accelerometer placed on the top of the case of the OneFive laser.
I previously observed with the accelerometer placed on the top of one cavity vessel, the correlation between the accelerometer signal and the PZT noise is pretty good but not 100%.

I will move the accelerometer on the optical cavity table.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

at the end of the day, I moved the accelerometer from the top of the cavity vessel to the top case of the Onefive laser.

I quickly saw again quite strong correlations between the vibrations compensated by the PZT and the accelerometer signal.
when one does a laser motor step which makes a systematic lock loss, one doesn't see any signal on the accelerometer.
=> more measurements have to be done.

I would like also to put also the accelerometer on the mechanics attached to the pipe at the IP.
=> to be discussed to find the best place as a lot of cables, the 2 dipoles and the aluminium sheets around the vacuum stufs don't let a lot of place to put the accelerometer....

Ronic Chiche wrote:

then, I moved the accelerometer on top of the "X-hutch side" vessel, placed directly on the metal top case, inside the housing.

- the "no noise same range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
on can compare the noise level on the accelerometer with the previous post when it was outside on top of the housing.
its noise is much much lower... which means the housing is properly dumping the acoustic noise at this frequency around 20-30Hz.

so, we increase the accelerometer measurement sensitivity to better measure its noise.
- the "no noise new range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer but with a smaller range.

- the "noise 1,2,3" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with good correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the optical vessel.

- the "noise 1,2,3 not clear" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with correlation with accelerometer but the signal level is not the same as before.
this make me think the origin of the noise is maybe not coming from the inside of the optical vessel.

=> conclusion : we see for the first time a correlation between the PZT noise and some vibration/acoustic noise.
now, we have to investigate the precise origin of this noise (or the different sources).

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some measurement with nobody interfering with the tests.

- the "no noise" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there is no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
most of the time, we are in this situation.

- the "slaping door" image shows the case where the large igloo door is opened and slaping when it closes.
the accelerometer and the PZT exhibit correlated noise when the door is slaping.
we can see a PZT "recovery" time longer than the perturbation.
but these events are rare and are not the source of the problematic perturbations.

- "noise 1,2,3" images show the typical situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise without any correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the housing.

=> conclusion, some external noise (to the housing) should not be the source of the perturbations on the PZT.

 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today I connected a copy of the laser PZT signal to the 2nd scope CH2 (with AC coupling to remove the DC offset) to be able to monitor synchronously the Accelerometer and laser PZT signals.
the accelerometer is still connected to the 2nd scope CH4 and placed on top of the housing.

I filtered both signals in the Labview Signal Express software with a low-pass filter at 30Hz to focus on low frequencies noise (~20Hz).

now, I need to wait to work with the bunker closed to compare with normal operation (if some people work in the same time in the bunker, obviously, we will get some correlation between the accelerometer and laser PZT signals.....)

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I installed an accelerometer setup in the bunker.
presently, the accelerometer is placed on top of the housing and its signal is connected to the 2nd scope (33MHz and 500MHz RF beating) on channel 4.
the FPC is locked to ~90kW.

the accelerometer noise is filtered on the Labview Signal Express software in order to focus on the 20Hz noise.
one applied a RII elliptic 5th order low pass filter at 30Hz.

the 20Hz noise can be seen on the PZT which always compensate for CFP frequency drifts.

figure 1 : example of typical accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) is quite (measurement on 4 seconds)

figure 2 : example of accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) exhibits some 20Hz noise (measurement on 10 seconds)

conclusion : there is no clear evidence of a correlation between accoustic noise outside of the housing (measured by the accelerometer) and the 20Hz noise in the laser PZT compensation.
=> putting the 2 signals on 2 different scopes doesn't help because the slow acquisition done is not synchronous.

next try : use the same scope and put the accelerometer inside the housing, for example on top of one of the FPC vessel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                  Reply   correlations between accelerometer and lock losses @ 20Hz, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics Capture.JPG

long term pk-pk measurement of the accelerometer (placed on the optical cavity table, on the marble part close to the laser oscillator) from 5:30pm to 9am => ~ 2.255s / pt

start of the quiet period : ~ 5k pts <=> 8:45pm
3 peaks at ~ 7.5k, 8.5k, 9.5k pts <=> 10:10pm, 10:50pm, 11:30pm
begining of the noise : big peak at ~20.5k pts <=> 6:20am

conclusion : relatively same behavior than the previous measurement made in the same condition except the "quiet" and "wake up" schedule of the noise is not strictly the same.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

here is the same kind of measurement (pk-pk of 1 sec of acquisition) done on the laser PZT when the FP is at 90kW.
it's from 6:20pm to 7:10pm => ~2.4s by point

the minimum values are for the PZT being off.
the maximum values are for PZT scanning or lock loss.

in between, we get the measurements of the perturbations.

at 6:30pm (~250 points), Jean-Noel stopped all the water cooling circuit of ThomX.
at 6:46pm (~650 points), Jean-Noel restarted the main water cooling circuit.
at 7pm (~1000 points), Jean-Noel restarted all the water cooling circuit.
at 7:10pm (~1250 points) => we stopped the acquisition.

conclusion : no clear effect of the water cooling circuit on the locking stability.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

here is the acquisition from 10:30am to 5:30pm

11k point in 7h => 1.57k points / h

the noise is almost the same during the daylight, a little bit increasing from 1:30pm.

I restarted an acquisition at 5:30pm to check if the noise reduction during the night is repeatable or not....

Ronic Chiche wrote:

here is the pk-pk measurement of the accelerometer during the whole night.
the recording started at 5pm yesterday and has been stopped this morning at 10am.

one got 28k points in 17 hours => 1.65k points / h

the "last" peak in the evening at 8.5k points is equivalent to 10pm.
the "fisrt" peaks in the morning at 23k points is equivalent to 7am.

I discussed with Jean-Noël but we don't any clear correlation of this schedule with some equipment schedule in ThomX....

I restarted a new acquisition at 10.30am.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

one possible source for this acoustic noise was the vibrations coming from the water cooling of the dipoles which is normally never turned off even when the machine is off.

this afternoon, Kevin turned off the main valve of the water cooling of half of the dipoles (the half on the FPC side), and we recorded the peak-peak value of accelerometer signal on a long trend (~20mn) but we didn't see a clear difference before and after.

I keep recording the accelerometer pk-pk signal during the night in case of one could see something different...

Ronic Chiche wrote:

new plots, with the accelerometer placed directly on the optical cavity table (on the marble part), close to the oscillator.
the correlation seems a bit better....

we would need to put the accelerometer on one foot of the table to check if the table has not some micro-movement or at the IP to check if the water in the dipole are doing some vibrations.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some new plots with the accelerometer placed on the top of the case of the OneFive laser.
I previously observed with the accelerometer placed on the top of one cavity vessel, the correlation between the accelerometer signal and the PZT noise is pretty good but not 100%.

I will move the accelerometer on the optical cavity table.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

at the end of the day, I moved the accelerometer from the top of the cavity vessel to the top case of the Onefive laser.

I quickly saw again quite strong correlations between the vibrations compensated by the PZT and the accelerometer signal.
when one does a laser motor step which makes a systematic lock loss, one doesn't see any signal on the accelerometer.
=> more measurements have to be done.

I would like also to put also the accelerometer on the mechanics attached to the pipe at the IP.
=> to be discussed to find the best place as a lot of cables, the 2 dipoles and the aluminium sheets around the vacuum stufs don't let a lot of place to put the accelerometer....

Ronic Chiche wrote:

then, I moved the accelerometer on top of the "X-hutch side" vessel, placed directly on the metal top case, inside the housing.

- the "no noise same range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
on can compare the noise level on the accelerometer with the previous post when it was outside on top of the housing.
its noise is much much lower... which means the housing is properly dumping the acoustic noise at this frequency around 20-30Hz.

so, we increase the accelerometer measurement sensitivity to better measure its noise.
- the "no noise new range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer but with a smaller range.

- the "noise 1,2,3" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with good correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the optical vessel.

- the "noise 1,2,3 not clear" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with correlation with accelerometer but the signal level is not the same as before.
this make me think the origin of the noise is maybe not coming from the inside of the optical vessel.

=> conclusion : we see for the first time a correlation between the PZT noise and some vibration/acoustic noise.
now, we have to investigate the precise origin of this noise (or the different sources).

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some measurement with nobody interfering with the tests.

- the "no noise" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there is no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
most of the time, we are in this situation.

- the "slaping door" image shows the case where the large igloo door is opened and slaping when it closes.
the accelerometer and the PZT exhibit correlated noise when the door is slaping.
we can see a PZT "recovery" time longer than the perturbation.
but these events are rare and are not the source of the problematic perturbations.

- "noise 1,2,3" images show the typical situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise without any correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the housing.

=> conclusion, some external noise (to the housing) should not be the source of the perturbations on the PZT.

 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today I connected a copy of the laser PZT signal to the 2nd scope CH2 (with AC coupling to remove the DC offset) to be able to monitor synchronously the Accelerometer and laser PZT signals.
the accelerometer is still connected to the 2nd scope CH4 and placed on top of the housing.

I filtered both signals in the Labview Signal Express software with a low-pass filter at 30Hz to focus on low frequencies noise (~20Hz).

now, I need to wait to work with the bunker closed to compare with normal operation (if some people work in the same time in the bunker, obviously, we will get some correlation between the accelerometer and laser PZT signals.....)

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I installed an accelerometer setup in the bunker.
presently, the accelerometer is placed on top of the housing and its signal is connected to the 2nd scope (33MHz and 500MHz RF beating) on channel 4.
the FPC is locked to ~90kW.

the accelerometer noise is filtered on the Labview Signal Express software in order to focus on the 20Hz noise.
one applied a RII elliptic 5th order low pass filter at 30Hz.

the 20Hz noise can be seen on the PZT which always compensate for CFP frequency drifts.

figure 1 : example of typical accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) is quite (measurement on 4 seconds)

figure 2 : example of accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) exhibits some 20Hz noise (measurement on 10 seconds)

conclusion : there is no clear evidence of a correlation between accoustic noise outside of the housing (measured by the accelerometer) and the 20Hz noise in the laser PZT compensation.
=> putting the 2 signals on 2 different scopes doesn't help because the slow acquisition done is not synchronous.

next try : use the same scope and put the accelerometer inside the housing, for example on top of one of the FPC vessel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I installed the accelerometer on the ground close to one feet of the FP cavity hexapod (see picture) and restarted the acquisition at 6:40pm on 20th of february.

the acquisition corresponds to the night between the 20th and the 21th of february.

23.3k points from 6:40pm to 9am => 2.215s / point

the large peaks in between 2k and 3.5k points correspond to 7:55pm to 8:50pm => some working operation in the bunker (maybe finish the work of the kicker).

one does not observe a clear decrease of the vibrations during the night.
I added a vertical zoom of the acquisition => it seems there is a small decrease during the night but nothing clear.

the last plot shows exactly the same data but with a strong filtering (raw data in blue, filtered data in red).
we see a little bit better the reduction of the vibration during the night.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

long term pk-pk measurement of the accelerometer (placed on the optical cavity table, on the marble part close to the laser oscillator) from 5:30pm to 9am => ~ 2.255s / pt

start of the quiet period : ~ 5k pts <=> 8:45pm
3 peaks at ~ 7.5k, 8.5k, 9.5k pts <=> 10:10pm, 10:50pm, 11:30pm
begining of the noise : big peak at ~20.5k pts <=> 6:20am

conclusion : relatively same behavior than the previous measurement made in the same condition except the "quiet" and "wake up" schedule of the noise is not strictly the same.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

here is the same kind of measurement (pk-pk of 1 sec of acquisition) done on the laser PZT when the FP is at 90kW.
it's from 6:20pm to 7:10pm => ~2.4s by point

the minimum values are for the PZT being off.
the maximum values are for PZT scanning or lock loss.

in between, we get the measurements of the perturbations.

at 6:30pm (~250 points), Jean-Noel stopped all the water cooling circuit of ThomX.
at 6:46pm (~650 points), Jean-Noel restarted the main water cooling circuit.
at 7pm (~1000 points), Jean-Noel restarted all the water cooling circuit.
at 7:10pm (~1250 points) => we stopped the acquisition.

conclusion : no clear effect of the water cooling circuit on the locking stability.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

here is the acquisition from 10:30am to 5:30pm

11k point in 7h => 1.57k points / h

the noise is almost the same during the daylight, a little bit increasing from 1:30pm.

I restarted an acquisition at 5:30pm to check if the noise reduction during the night is repeatable or not....

Ronic Chiche wrote:

here is the pk-pk measurement of the accelerometer during the whole night.
the recording started at 5pm yesterday and has been stopped this morning at 10am.

one got 28k points in 17 hours => 1.65k points / h

the "last" peak in the evening at 8.5k points is equivalent to 10pm.
the "fisrt" peaks in the morning at 23k points is equivalent to 7am.

I discussed with Jean-Noël but we don't any clear correlation of this schedule with some equipment schedule in ThomX....

I restarted a new acquisition at 10.30am.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

one possible source for this acoustic noise was the vibrations coming from the water cooling of the dipoles which is normally never turned off even when the machine is off.

this afternoon, Kevin turned off the main valve of the water cooling of half of the dipoles (the half on the FPC side), and we recorded the peak-peak value of accelerometer signal on a long trend (~20mn) but we didn't see a clear difference before and after.

I keep recording the accelerometer pk-pk signal during the night in case of one could see something different...

Ronic Chiche wrote:

new plots, with the accelerometer placed directly on the optical cavity table (on the marble part), close to the oscillator.
the correlation seems a bit better....

we would need to put the accelerometer on one foot of the table to check if the table has not some micro-movement or at the IP to check if the water in the dipole are doing some vibrations.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some new plots with the accelerometer placed on the top of the case of the OneFive laser.
I previously observed with the accelerometer placed on the top of one cavity vessel, the correlation between the accelerometer signal and the PZT noise is pretty good but not 100%.

I will move the accelerometer on the optical cavity table.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

at the end of the day, I moved the accelerometer from the top of the cavity vessel to the top case of the Onefive laser.

I quickly saw again quite strong correlations between the vibrations compensated by the PZT and the accelerometer signal.
when one does a laser motor step which makes a systematic lock loss, one doesn't see any signal on the accelerometer.
=> more measurements have to be done.

I would like also to put also the accelerometer on the mechanics attached to the pipe at the IP.
=> to be discussed to find the best place as a lot of cables, the 2 dipoles and the aluminium sheets around the vacuum stufs don't let a lot of place to put the accelerometer....

Ronic Chiche wrote:

then, I moved the accelerometer on top of the "X-hutch side" vessel, placed directly on the metal top case, inside the housing.

- the "no noise same range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
on can compare the noise level on the accelerometer with the previous post when it was outside on top of the housing.
its noise is much much lower... which means the housing is properly dumping the acoustic noise at this frequency around 20-30Hz.

so, we increase the accelerometer measurement sensitivity to better measure its noise.
- the "no noise new range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer but with a smaller range.

- the "noise 1,2,3" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with good correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the optical vessel.

- the "noise 1,2,3 not clear" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with correlation with accelerometer but the signal level is not the same as before.
this make me think the origin of the noise is maybe not coming from the inside of the optical vessel.

=> conclusion : we see for the first time a correlation between the PZT noise and some vibration/acoustic noise.
now, we have to investigate the precise origin of this noise (or the different sources).

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some measurement with nobody interfering with the tests.

- the "no noise" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there is no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
most of the time, we are in this situation.

- the "slaping door" image shows the case where the large igloo door is opened and slaping when it closes.
the accelerometer and the PZT exhibit correlated noise when the door is slaping.
we can see a PZT "recovery" time longer than the perturbation.
but these events are rare and are not the source of the problematic perturbations.

- "noise 1,2,3" images show the typical situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise without any correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the housing.

=> conclusion, some external noise (to the housing) should not be the source of the perturbations on the PZT.

 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today I connected a copy of the laser PZT signal to the 2nd scope CH2 (with AC coupling to remove the DC offset) to be able to monitor synchronously the Accelerometer and laser PZT signals.
the accelerometer is still connected to the 2nd scope CH4 and placed on top of the housing.

I filtered both signals in the Labview Signal Express software with a low-pass filter at 30Hz to focus on low frequencies noise (~20Hz).

now, I need to wait to work with the bunker closed to compare with normal operation (if some people work in the same time in the bunker, obviously, we will get some correlation between the accelerometer and laser PZT signals.....)

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I installed an accelerometer setup in the bunker.
presently, the accelerometer is placed on top of the housing and its signal is connected to the 2nd scope (33MHz and 500MHz RF beating) on channel 4.
the FPC is locked to ~90kW.

the accelerometer noise is filtered on the Labview Signal Express software in order to focus on the 20Hz noise.
one applied a RII elliptic 5th order low pass filter at 30Hz.

the 20Hz noise can be seen on the PZT which always compensate for CFP frequency drifts.

figure 1 : example of typical accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) is quite (measurement on 4 seconds)

figure 2 : example of accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) exhibits some 20Hz noise (measurement on 10 seconds)

conclusion : there is no clear evidence of a correlation between accoustic noise outside of the housing (measured by the accelerometer) and the 20Hz noise in the laser PZT compensation.
=> putting the 2 signals on 2 different scopes doesn't help because the slow acquisition done is not synchronous.

next try : use the same scope and put the accelerometer inside the housing, for example on top of one of the FPC vessel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                        Reply   correlations between accelerometer and lock losses @ 20Hz, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

for this 20Hz oscillation, could it be a natural resonance of the optical table placed on its feet ?

typical mass of the table m ~ 8T

feets :
young modulus of steel E ~ 210 G N/m²
length L ~ 1m
diameter d ~ 10cm
rigidity for 6 feets => k ~ 6. pi.d²/4L E ~ 9.9 G N/m

rough estimation of the oscillation frequency : f = sqrt(k / m) / 2pi ~ 177 Hz

if the rigidity of the real moving feets is lower (~ by a factor 80) than if they were made of plain steel, we are not so far.
to be continued...

 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I installed the accelerometer on the ground close to one feet of the FP cavity hexapod (see picture) and restarted the acquisition at 6:40pm on 20th of february.

the acquisition corresponds to the night between the 20th and the 21th of february.

23.3k points from 6:40pm to 9am => 2.215s / point

the large peaks in between 2k and 3.5k points correspond to 7:55pm to 8:50pm => some working operation in the bunker (maybe finish the work of the kicker).

one does not observe a clear decrease of the vibrations during the night.
I added a vertical zoom of the acquisition => it seems there is a small decrease during the night but nothing clear.

the last plot shows exactly the same data but with a strong filtering (raw data in blue, filtered data in red).
we see a little bit better the reduction of the vibration during the night.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

long term pk-pk measurement of the accelerometer (placed on the optical cavity table, on the marble part close to the laser oscillator) from 5:30pm to 9am => ~ 2.255s / pt

start of the quiet period : ~ 5k pts <=> 8:45pm
3 peaks at ~ 7.5k, 8.5k, 9.5k pts <=> 10:10pm, 10:50pm, 11:30pm
begining of the noise : big peak at ~20.5k pts <=> 6:20am

conclusion : relatively same behavior than the previous measurement made in the same condition except the "quiet" and "wake up" schedule of the noise is not strictly the same.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

here is the same kind of measurement (pk-pk of 1 sec of acquisition) done on the laser PZT when the FP is at 90kW.
it's from 6:20pm to 7:10pm => ~2.4s by point

the minimum values are for the PZT being off.
the maximum values are for PZT scanning or lock loss.

in between, we get the measurements of the perturbations.

at 6:30pm (~250 points), Jean-Noel stopped all the water cooling circuit of ThomX.
at 6:46pm (~650 points), Jean-Noel restarted the main water cooling circuit.
at 7pm (~1000 points), Jean-Noel restarted all the water cooling circuit.
at 7:10pm (~1250 points) => we stopped the acquisition.

conclusion : no clear effect of the water cooling circuit on the locking stability.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

here is the acquisition from 10:30am to 5:30pm

11k point in 7h => 1.57k points / h

the noise is almost the same during the daylight, a little bit increasing from 1:30pm.

I restarted an acquisition at 5:30pm to check if the noise reduction during the night is repeatable or not....

Ronic Chiche wrote:

here is the pk-pk measurement of the accelerometer during the whole night.
the recording started at 5pm yesterday and has been stopped this morning at 10am.

one got 28k points in 17 hours => 1.65k points / h

the "last" peak in the evening at 8.5k points is equivalent to 10pm.
the "fisrt" peaks in the morning at 23k points is equivalent to 7am.

I discussed with Jean-Noël but we don't any clear correlation of this schedule with some equipment schedule in ThomX....

I restarted a new acquisition at 10.30am.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

one possible source for this acoustic noise was the vibrations coming from the water cooling of the dipoles which is normally never turned off even when the machine is off.

this afternoon, Kevin turned off the main valve of the water cooling of half of the dipoles (the half on the FPC side), and we recorded the peak-peak value of accelerometer signal on a long trend (~20mn) but we didn't see a clear difference before and after.

I keep recording the accelerometer pk-pk signal during the night in case of one could see something different...

Ronic Chiche wrote:

new plots, with the accelerometer placed directly on the optical cavity table (on the marble part), close to the oscillator.
the correlation seems a bit better....

we would need to put the accelerometer on one foot of the table to check if the table has not some micro-movement or at the IP to check if the water in the dipole are doing some vibrations.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some new plots with the accelerometer placed on the top of the case of the OneFive laser.
I previously observed with the accelerometer placed on the top of one cavity vessel, the correlation between the accelerometer signal and the PZT noise is pretty good but not 100%.

I will move the accelerometer on the optical cavity table.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

at the end of the day, I moved the accelerometer from the top of the cavity vessel to the top case of the Onefive laser.

I quickly saw again quite strong correlations between the vibrations compensated by the PZT and the accelerometer signal.
when one does a laser motor step which makes a systematic lock loss, one doesn't see any signal on the accelerometer.
=> more measurements have to be done.

I would like also to put also the accelerometer on the mechanics attached to the pipe at the IP.
=> to be discussed to find the best place as a lot of cables, the 2 dipoles and the aluminium sheets around the vacuum stufs don't let a lot of place to put the accelerometer....

Ronic Chiche wrote:

then, I moved the accelerometer on top of the "X-hutch side" vessel, placed directly on the metal top case, inside the housing.

- the "no noise same range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
on can compare the noise level on the accelerometer with the previous post when it was outside on top of the housing.
its noise is much much lower... which means the housing is properly dumping the acoustic noise at this frequency around 20-30Hz.

so, we increase the accelerometer measurement sensitivity to better measure its noise.
- the "no noise new range" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer but with a smaller range.

- the "noise 1,2,3" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with good correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the optical vessel.

- the "noise 1,2,3 not clear" images show the situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise with correlation with accelerometer but the signal level is not the same as before.
this make me think the origin of the noise is maybe not coming from the inside of the optical vessel.

=> conclusion : we see for the first time a correlation between the PZT noise and some vibration/acoustic noise.
now, we have to investigate the precise origin of this noise (or the different sources).

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some measurement with nobody interfering with the tests.

- the "no noise" image shows a standard situation during 10s when there is no noise either on PZT or Accelerometer.
most of the time, we are in this situation.

- the "slaping door" image shows the case where the large igloo door is opened and slaping when it closes.
the accelerometer and the PZT exhibit correlated noise when the door is slaping.
we can see a PZT "recovery" time longer than the perturbation.
but these events are rare and are not the source of the problematic perturbations.

- "noise 1,2,3" images show the typical situation when the PZT start to compensate large noise without any correlation with accelerometer placed on top of the housing.

=> conclusion, some external noise (to the housing) should not be the source of the perturbations on the PZT.

 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today I connected a copy of the laser PZT signal to the 2nd scope CH2 (with AC coupling to remove the DC offset) to be able to monitor synchronously the Accelerometer and laser PZT signals.
the accelerometer is still connected to the 2nd scope CH4 and placed on top of the housing.

I filtered both signals in the Labview Signal Express software with a low-pass filter at 30Hz to focus on low frequencies noise (~20Hz).

now, I need to wait to work with the bunker closed to compare with normal operation (if some people work in the same time in the bunker, obviously, we will get some correlation between the accelerometer and laser PZT signals.....)

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I installed an accelerometer setup in the bunker.
presently, the accelerometer is placed on top of the housing and its signal is connected to the 2nd scope (33MHz and 500MHz RF beating) on channel 4.
the FPC is locked to ~90kW.

the accelerometer noise is filtered on the Labview Signal Express software in order to focus on the 20Hz noise.
one applied a RII elliptic 5th order low pass filter at 30Hz.

the 20Hz noise can be seen on the PZT which always compensate for CFP frequency drifts.

figure 1 : example of typical accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) is quite (measurement on 4 seconds)

figure 2 : example of accelerometer filtered noise (yellow curve) when the PZT compensation (green curve) exhibits some 20Hz noise (measurement on 10 seconds)

conclusion : there is no clear evidence of a correlation between accoustic noise outside of the housing (measured by the accelerometer) and the 20Hz noise in the laser PZT compensation.
=> putting the 2 signals on 2 different scopes doesn't help because the slow acquisition done is not synchronous.

next try : use the same scope and put the accelerometer inside the housing, for example on top of one of the FPC vessel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Entry   correlations between vacuum gauges and lock losses @ 20Hz, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | vacuum 

the machine people saw a correlation between BPM jumps and vacuum gauges peaks related to breakdowns in the beam pipe.

these breakdowns could produce some accoustic noise which could be related to our lock losses.

=> we tried to do a corrrelation between our lock losses and the vacuum gauge peaks => WE DON'T SEE any correlation !!!

Entry   CEM noise measurements, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics | cabling Without_Noise_@_20Hz.pngWith_Noise_@_20Hz.pngDelock_@_20Hz.pngVoice_noise_@400Hz.png

The goal of these measurements is to check if one can find some correlation between the CFP lock losses observed during a run and some CEM noise in the bunker.
the main issue is coming from a 20Hz noise apearing/disapearing in the laser cavity PZT signal.
is it a real cavity length noise that must be compensated or is it a pickup noise in the error signal which produce some unwanted compensation ?
the second issue (apearing much less often) is a higher frequency noise visible mainly in the transmission signal of the CFP which becomes wider and noisy during 1-2 seconds.

This morning, I installed a simple wire loop all around the table (the machine is OFF).
this wire is connected to the wire of a BNC connector at one end and to the ground of the same BNC connector at the other end to form a loop.
this BNC connector is connected to a 1kHz low pass filter to remove high frequency CEM noises and connected to a 10-1000 variable gain amplifier, plugged to the CH3 of the CFP scope (instead of the PDH/PZT-CAV signal).

I locked the CFP above 80kW after tuning the CEP.

I took several pictures to illustrate what I observed :
- on the right, the scope signal in time domain (blue = TRANS / green = PZT laser / cyan = REFLECT / pink = LOOP noise)
- on the left, the spectral analysis in frequency domain (red = PZT laser / white = LOOP noise)

in these 3 measurements, I don't do anything to the CFP, I just wait for the signals.

1) normal condition : see picture "Without Noise @ 20Hz"
the PZT signal in time domain is relatively flat and the 20Hz noise is barely visible in frequency domain.
we don't see any correlation with the LOOP noise for which one can see clear 50Hz and 100Hz peaks.

2) 20Hz noise condition : see picture "With Noise @ 20Hz"
the PZT signal in time and frequency domain exhibit a clear 20Hz oscillation.
the REFLECT and TRANS signals are also correlated to this 20Hz oscillation.
but still no correlation with the LOOP noise in time or frequency domain.

3) 20Hz noise lock loss condition : see picture "Delock @ 20Hz"
because of the lock loss the spectral analysis of the PZT signal is meaningless,
but in time domain, one can clearly see the growth of the 20Hz signal, inducing large noise on TRANS and REFLECT signal but still no correlation with the LOOP noise.

Conclusion : the 20Hz noise seems not related to any CEM noisy signal but more probably to a real mechanical noise in the CFP (not in the laser cavity because it would be seen in the phase noise measurements).

in this measurement, I tried to produce a tone around 400Hz with my voice, close to the FP cavity.
it is difficult to right volume as the cavity can easily lose the lock.

4) Voice noise condition : see picture "Voice noise @ 400Hz"
here, I changed the spectral span to 500Hz.
one can see a small bump in frequency domain around 400Hz due to the accoustic noise in the PZT signal.
the general shape of the PZT spectral signal is maybe related to the PID parameters : one can see more signal at lower frequencies.
in time domain, one can see TRANS and REFLECT signals are more noisy than before and these signals shapes seems identical to what has been observed when one has lock loss due to high frequency noise.
maybe we could put a mic in the bunker, connected to one scope to check if sometime one doesn't have much more accoustic noise...
 

    Reply   CEM noise measurements, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics | cabling 

This afternoon, we started almost all the parts of the machine with Vincent and Nicolas, and we didn't see any change in the Loop noise signal.
we saw only a peak comb at 10Hz on the Loop noise signal when the septum is ON. the amplitude of the peaks is then related to the voltage on the septum.
but we still don't see any noise correlation on the PZT signal.

the global conclusion about CEM noise is it is not related to laser PZT noise.

if the 20Hz oscillation is coming from a mechanical unstability in the CFP, we should be able to trigger it by moving the longitudinal motors of the CFP.
we tried also to move the MOT.03 and MOT.06 motors and we didn't see any clear correlation with the 20Hz oscillation.

the 20Hz oscillation could come from the CTA pressure variations on the housing => we can try to trigger the oscillation on the housing.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

The goal of these measurements is to check if one can find some correlation between the CFP lock losses observed during a run and some CEM noise in the bunker.
the main issue is coming from a 20Hz noise apearing/disapearing in the laser cavity PZT signal.
is it a real cavity length noise that must be compensated or is it a pickup noise in the error signal which produce some unwanted compensation ?
the second issue (apearing much less often) is a higher frequency noise visible mainly in the transmission signal of the CFP which becomes wider and noisy during 1-2 seconds.

This morning, I installed a simple wire loop all around the table (the machine is OFF).
this wire is connected to the wire of a BNC connector at one end and to the ground of the same BNC connector at the other end to form a loop.
this BNC connector is connected to a 1kHz low pass filter to remove high frequency CEM noises and connected to a 10-1000 variable gain amplifier, plugged to the CH3 of the CFP scope (instead of the PDH/PZT-CAV signal).

I locked the CFP above 80kW after tuning the CEP.

I took several pictures to illustrate what I observed :
- on the right, the scope signal in time domain (blue = TRANS / green = PZT laser / cyan = REFLECT / pink = LOOP noise)
- on the left, the spectral analysis in frequency domain (red = PZT laser / white = LOOP noise)

in these 3 measurements, I don't do anything to the CFP, I just wait for the signals.

1) normal condition : see picture "Without Noise @ 20Hz"
the PZT signal in time domain is relatively flat and the 20Hz noise is barely visible in frequency domain.
we don't see any correlation with the LOOP noise for which one can see clear 50Hz and 100Hz peaks.

2) 20Hz noise condition : see picture "With Noise @ 20Hz"
the PZT signal in time and frequency domain exhibit a clear 20Hz oscillation.
the REFLECT and TRANS signals are also correlated to this 20Hz oscillation.
but still no correlation with the LOOP noise in time or frequency domain.

3) 20Hz noise lock loss condition : see picture "Delock @ 20Hz"
because of the lock loss the spectral analysis of the PZT signal is meaningless,
but in time domain, one can clearly see the growth of the 20Hz signal, inducing large noise on TRANS and REFLECT signal but still no correlation with the LOOP noise.

Conclusion : the 20Hz noise seems not related to any CEM noisy signal but more probably to a real mechanical noise in the CFP (not in the laser cavity because it would be seen in the phase noise measurements).

in this measurement, I tried to produce a tone around 400Hz with my voice, close to the FP cavity.
it is difficult to right volume as the cavity can easily lose the lock.

4) Voice noise condition : see picture "Voice noise @ 400Hz"
here, I changed the spectral span to 500Hz.
one can see a small bump in frequency domain around 400Hz due to the accoustic noise in the PZT signal.
the general shape of the PZT spectral signal is maybe related to the PID parameters : one can see more signal at lower frequencies.
in time domain, one can see TRANS and REFLECT signals are more noisy than before and these signals shapes seems identical to what has been observed when one has lock loss due to high frequency noise.
maybe we could put a mic in the bunker, connected to one scope to check if sometime one doesn't have much more accoustic noise...
 

 

Entry   Checking the amplifier power, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

this morning, with Daniele, we checked the amplifier power, right after the CVBG (the power meter has to be placed on a metal plate above the large table hole), and just at the input of the FP cavity, after the 1/4 and 1/2 waveplates (the power meter has to be placed on flat beam dump+ Thorlabs beam dump + V metallic mount to be at the right height).

we compared with the power measured the 9th of september : https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/356

the 3 collumns are the measurement close to the CVBG on 9th of september / same position today / just befor the FPC today

amplifier ratio (%)                 power after compressor (W)                 (new) power @ CVBG   (new) power @ FPC      ratio FPC/CVBG power (%)
10                                               0.91                                                  0.93                                    0.83                                       89.2
20                                               8.6                                                    8.6                                      8.0                                         93.0
30                                              16.7                                                  16.9                                    15.8                                        93.5
40                                              25.5                                                  25.6                                    24.0                                        93.7
50                                              34.5                                                  34.6                                    32.5                                        93.9
60                                              42.5                                                  42.5                                    39.5                                        92.9
70                                              50.0                                                  50.0                                    45.0                                        90.0

we observed with the viewer the beam on the powermeter.
at 70% of amplifier ratio, the beam size is as big as the powermeter detector.
then, the 93% to 90% transport efficiency drop could come from this "too small" powermeter detector.

we observed also at this power ratio (70%) that the 1/4 and 1/2 waveplates were not perfectly centered and we burn a part of the platic mount at this power.


    Reply   Checking the amplifier power, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

we did a long term run (25 mn) with the powermeter located at the FPC position at 33% amplifier ratio.

the initial power was 18W .
then, it goes to 18.5W in 10 minutes, then 5 minutes later, it goes to 18.3W and stay stable until  the end the run.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, with Daniele, we checked the amplifier power, right after the CVBG (the power meter has to be placed on a metal plate above the large table hole), and just at the input of the FP cavity, after the 1/4 and 1/2 waveplates (the power meter has to be placed on flat beam dump+ Thorlabs beam dump + V metallic mount to be at the right height).

we compared with the power measured the 9th of september : https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/356

the 3 collumns are the measurement close to the CVBG on 9th of september / same position today / just befor the FPC today

amplifier ratio (%)                 power after compressor (W)                 (new) power @ CVBG   (new) power @ FPC      ratio FPC/CVBG power (%)
10                                               0.91                                                  0.93                                    0.83                                       89.2
20                                               8.6                                                    8.6                                      8.0                                         93.0
30                                              16.7                                                  16.9                                    15.8                                        93.5
40                                              25.5                                                  25.6                                    24.0                                        93.7
50                                              34.5                                                  34.6                                    32.5                                        93.9
60                                              42.5                                                  42.5                                    39.5                                        92.9
70                                              50.0                                                  50.0                                    45.0                                        90.0

we observed with the viewer the beam on the powermeter.
at 70% of amplifier ratio, the beam size is as big as the powermeter detector.
then, the 93% to 90% transport efficiency drop could come from this "too small" powermeter detector.

we observed also at this power ratio (70%) that the 1/4 and 1/2 waveplates were not perfectly centered and we burn a part of the platic mount at this power.


 

       Reply   Checking the amplifier power, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

I put back and aligned the 1/2 waveplate only and I get 71kW max after its optimization and optimizing the CEP and alignment (without walking procedure).
this waveplate change a lot the reflected power seen on the CH2 of the scope.

to be continued this afternoon...

Ronic Chiche wrote:

we did a long term run (25 mn) with the powermeter located at the FPC position at 33% amplifier ratio.

the initial power was 18W .
then, it goes to 18.5W in 10 minutes, then 5 minutes later, it goes to 18.3W and stay stable until  the end the run.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, with Daniele, we checked the amplifier power, right after the CVBG (the power meter has to be placed on a metal plate above the large table hole), and just at the input of the FP cavity, after the 1/4 and 1/2 waveplates (the power meter has to be placed on flat beam dump+ Thorlabs beam dump + V metallic mount to be at the right height).

we compared with the power measured the 9th of september : https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/356

the 3 collumns are the measurement close to the CVBG on 9th of september / same position today / just befor the FPC today

amplifier ratio (%)                 power after compressor (W)                 (new) power @ CVBG   (new) power @ FPC      ratio FPC/CVBG power (%)
10                                               0.91                                                  0.93                                    0.83                                       89.2
20                                               8.6                                                    8.6                                      8.0                                         93.0
30                                              16.7                                                  16.9                                    15.8                                        93.5
40                                              25.5                                                  25.6                                    24.0                                        93.7
50                                              34.5                                                  34.6                                    32.5                                        93.9
60                                              42.5                                                  42.5                                    39.5                                        92.9
70                                              50.0                                                  50.0                                    45.0                                        90.0

we observed with the viewer the beam on the powermeter.
at 70% of amplifier ratio, the beam size is as big as the powermeter detector.
then, the 93% to 90% transport efficiency drop could come from this "too small" powermeter detector.

we observed also at this power ratio (70%) that the 1/4 and 1/2 waveplates were not perfectly centered and we burn a part of the platic mount at this power.


 

 

          Reply   Checking the amplifier power, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

this afternoon, we put back the 1/4 and 1/2 waveplates and after a long alignment/angle tuning/CEP optimization process, we hardly got 80-81kW in the cavity for 33% amplifier ratio. the transmission photodiode is then ~ 7.5 divisions (500mV/division) on the scope.

BUT during the 1/2 and 1/4 waveplate angle tuning process, we clearly saw:
- a reflection signal level which is very sensitive to the input polarization
- a coupling which can be almost zero with ~70kW inside the cavity
- the more important: ~9.5 divisions (500mV/division) on the scope with only 70-75kW in the powermeter
        => which device should we believe ?

the problem is all these photodiodes (reflection, error signal, transmission) and powermeter are aligned with mirrors which seem to be sensitive to the polarization state of the beam... and for the "output" beam side of the cavity, we cannot remove the mirrors because of the mechanics of the cavity which prevent a direct view of the ports. for the "input" beam side of the cavity, the output port is used for the cavity beam size measurement with a Basler camera.

we have to think to how to solve this issue !

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I put back and aligned the 1/2 waveplate only and I get 71kW max after its optimization and optimizing the CEP and alignment (without walking procedure).
this waveplate change a lot the reflected power seen on the CH2 of the scope.

to be continued this afternoon...

Ronic Chiche wrote:

we did a long term run (25 mn) with the powermeter located at the FPC position at 33% amplifier ratio.

the initial power was 18W .
then, it goes to 18.5W in 10 minutes, then 5 minutes later, it goes to 18.3W and stay stable until  the end the run.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, with Daniele, we checked the amplifier power, right after the CVBG (the power meter has to be placed on a metal plate above the large table hole), and just at the input of the FP cavity, after the 1/4 and 1/2 waveplates (the power meter has to be placed on flat beam dump+ Thorlabs beam dump + V metallic mount to be at the right height).

we compared with the power measured the 9th of september : https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/356

the 3 collumns are the measurement close to the CVBG on 9th of september / same position today / just befor the FPC today

amplifier ratio (%)                 power after compressor (W)                 (new) power @ CVBG   (new) power @ FPC      ratio FPC/CVBG power (%)
10                                               0.91                                                  0.93                                    0.83                                       89.2
20                                               8.6                                                    8.6                                      8.0                                         93.0
30                                              16.7                                                  16.9                                    15.8                                        93.5
40                                              25.5                                                  25.6                                    24.0                                        93.7
50                                              34.5                                                  34.6                                    32.5                                        93.9
60                                              42.5                                                  42.5                                    39.5                                        92.9
70                                              50.0                                                  50.0                                    45.0                                        90.0

we observed with the viewer the beam on the powermeter.
at 70% of amplifier ratio, the beam size is as big as the powermeter detector.
then, the 93% to 90% transport efficiency drop could come from this "too small" powermeter detector.

we observed also at this power ratio (70%) that the 1/4 and 1/2 waveplates were not perfectly centered and we burn a part of the platic mount at this power.


 

 

 

Entry   Optimizing lock parameters for stable X-ray production, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | software Capture.JPG

here are the (good) lock parameters used this morning.

for the RF/FPC lock, the 33MHz beating signal used to select the right bucket is 1Vpp
=> beating signal : V0 . sin(phi) with V0=0.5V.

to discrimate a 500MHz bucket, we need to get dV < V0 dphi.

dphi = 2pi / 15 = 420 mrad => dV < 0.2 V => dV < +/- 0.1V

we used dV = +/- 0.02V but perharps we can relax the constraint.

we also reduced the RF scanning speed at 0.1V/s to let the system find the right phase when the system is slowly drifting.


 

 

    Reply   Optimizing lock parameters for stable X-ray production, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | software 

Today with Daniele and Alice, we operated to cavity.
we obtained 84kW for 33% of amplifier ratio.
we had to tune the CEP @ -565µm and the FP-cavity alignment.

then we locked properly the FP-cavity on the ring RF frequency.
we quite easily relock with the correct phase when we are loosing the lock.

the ThomX machine was running during these 2 locks, so we are ready for doing X-rays again.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

here are the (good) lock parameters used this morning.

for the RF/FPC lock, the 33MHz beating signal used to select the right bucket is 1Vpp
=> beating signal : V0 . sin(phi) with V0=0.5V.

to discrimate a 500MHz bucket, we need to get dV < V0 dphi.

dphi = 2pi / 15 = 420 mrad => dV < 0.2 V => dV < +/- 0.1V

we used dV = +/- 0.02V but perharps we can relax the constraint.

we also reduced the RF scanning speed at 0.1V/s to let the system find the right phase when the system is slowly drifting.


 

 

 

       Reply   Optimizing lock parameters for stable X-ray production, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | software 

This morning, I wanted to test quickly if the Smaract motors can be used in open loop instead of closed loop or in piezo scan.

the goal is to do very fine steps without to much vibrations (like with piezo scan mode) but with the full motor range (the piezo scan mode has a very limited range).

I can check what happens to the 33MHz beating frequency between the laser and the RF frequency without the laser amplifier or the lock of the FP-cavity.
1Hz of beating freqency variation is equivalent to 270nm of round-trip length, which is 135nm of motor displacement !

=> the full range of the piezo scan mode is difficult to estimate because the measurement sensitivity is not good enough but around 5Hz.

=> 1350nm in closed loop is equivalent to ~ 10Hz => 135nm is equivalent to 1Hz => ok

=> 1 step in open loop is equivalent to ~ 10Hz !!! => this is a way too coarse tuning !!!! => cannot be used unless one finds a way to set the motion differently in the settings parameters.
but usually, the settings parameters are used only to tune the speed, not the step size.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Today with Daniele and Alice, we operated to cavity.
we obtained 84kW for 33% of amplifier ratio.
we had to tune the CEP @ -565µm and the FP-cavity alignment.

then we locked properly the FP-cavity on the ring RF frequency.
we quite easily relock with the correct phase when we are loosing the lock.

the ThomX machine was running during these 2 locks, so we are ready for doing X-rays again.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

here are the (good) lock parameters used this morning.

for the RF/FPC lock, the 33MHz beating signal used to select the right bucket is 1Vpp
=> beating signal : V0 . sin(phi) with V0=0.5V.

to discrimate a 500MHz bucket, we need to get dV < V0 dphi.

dphi = 2pi / 15 = 420 mrad => dV < 0.2 V => dV < +/- 0.1V

we used dV = +/- 0.02V but perharps we can relax the constraint.

we also reduced the RF scanning speed at 0.1V/s to let the system find the right phase when the system is slowly drifting.


 

 

 

 

          Reply   Optimizing lock parameters for stable X-ray production, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | software 

This afternoon, we scanned the optical table vertically with the hexapod in asynchronous mode to find its optimum position, looking at the X-ray production.
then, we searched for the correct bucket and phase in the bucket thanks to the Kevin script on the 500MHz and the 33MHz phases.

we got relatively easily some stable X-rays.
on the gain "0" on the current amplifier of the X-rays photodiode, we got 15 000 pA (380k Xrays / pA => 5.7.10^9 Xrays).
but we saw, when the cathode charge was fluctuating, that we could be saturated above 20 000 pA !

the power in the cavity was ~84kW after CEP and alignment tuning.

the command to launch the X-rays measurement window is:
taurustrend -r 100 /XLI/OP/TMD.01/I1

Ronic Chiche wrote:

This morning, I wanted to test quickly if the Smaract motors can be used in open loop instead of closed loop or in piezo scan.

the goal is to do very fine steps without to much vibrations (like with piezo scan mode) but with the full motor range (the piezo scan mode has a very limited range).

I can check what happens to the 33MHz beating frequency between the laser and the RF frequency without the laser amplifier or the lock of the FP-cavity.
1Hz of beating freqency variation is equivalent to 270nm of round-trip length, which is 135nm of motor displacement !

=> the full range of the piezo scan mode is difficult to estimate because the measurement sensitivity is not good enough but around 5Hz.

=> 1350nm in closed loop is equivalent to ~ 10Hz => 135nm is equivalent to 1Hz => ok

=> 1 step in open loop is equivalent to ~ 10Hz !!! => this is a way too coarse tuning !!!! => cannot be used unless one finds a way to set the motion differently in the settings parameters.
but usually, the settings parameters are used only to tune the speed, not the step size.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Today with Daniele and Alice, we operated to cavity.
we obtained 84kW for 33% of amplifier ratio.
we had to tune the CEP @ -565µm and the FP-cavity alignment.

then we locked properly the FP-cavity on the ring RF frequency.
we quite easily relock with the correct phase when we are loosing the lock.

the ThomX machine was running during these 2 locks, so we are ready for doing X-rays again.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

here are the (good) lock parameters used this morning.

for the RF/FPC lock, the 33MHz beating signal used to select the right bucket is 1Vpp
=> beating signal : V0 . sin(phi) with V0=0.5V.

to discrimate a 500MHz bucket, we need to get dV < V0 dphi.

dphi = 2pi / 15 = 420 mrad => dV < 0.2 V => dV < +/- 0.1V

we used dV = +/- 0.02V but perharps we can relax the constraint.

we also reduced the RF scanning speed at 0.1V/s to let the system find the right phase when the system is slowly drifting.


 

 

 

 

 

             Reply   Optimizing lock parameters for stable X-ray production, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | software 

Today, after setting the locking parameters, I got 80kW in the FPC for 33% amplifier ratio after CEP tuning (Smaract CH2 ~ -423.5µm) and alignment.

maybe the alignment has to be improved by some walking procedure.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

This afternoon, we scanned the optical table vertically with the hexapod in asynchronous mode to find its optimum position, looking at the X-ray production.
then, we searched for the correct bucket and phase in the bucket thanks to the Kevin script on the 500MHz and the 33MHz phases.

we got relatively easily some stable X-rays.
on the gain "0" on the current amplifier of the X-rays photodiode, we got 15 000 pA (380k Xrays / pA => 5.7.10^9 Xrays).
but we saw, when the cathode charge was fluctuating, that we could be saturated above 20 000 pA !

the power in the cavity was ~84kW after CEP and alignment tuning.

the command to launch the X-rays measurement window is:
taurustrend -r 100 /XLI/OP/TMD.01/I1

Ronic Chiche wrote:

This morning, I wanted to test quickly if the Smaract motors can be used in open loop instead of closed loop or in piezo scan.

the goal is to do very fine steps without to much vibrations (like with piezo scan mode) but with the full motor range (the piezo scan mode has a very limited range).

I can check what happens to the 33MHz beating frequency between the laser and the RF frequency without the laser amplifier or the lock of the FP-cavity.
1Hz of beating freqency variation is equivalent to 270nm of round-trip length, which is 135nm of motor displacement !

=> the full range of the piezo scan mode is difficult to estimate because the measurement sensitivity is not good enough but around 5Hz.

=> 1350nm in closed loop is equivalent to ~ 10Hz => 135nm is equivalent to 1Hz => ok

=> 1 step in open loop is equivalent to ~ 10Hz !!! => this is a way too coarse tuning !!!! => cannot be used unless one finds a way to set the motion differently in the settings parameters.
but usually, the settings parameters are used only to tune the speed, not the step size.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Today with Daniele and Alice, we operated to cavity.
we obtained 84kW for 33% of amplifier ratio.
we had to tune the CEP @ -565µm and the FP-cavity alignment.

then we locked properly the FP-cavity on the ring RF frequency.
we quite easily relock with the correct phase when we are loosing the lock.

the ThomX machine was running during these 2 locks, so we are ready for doing X-rays again.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

here are the (good) lock parameters used this morning.

for the RF/FPC lock, the 33MHz beating signal used to select the right bucket is 1Vpp
=> beating signal : V0 . sin(phi) with V0=0.5V.

to discrimate a 500MHz bucket, we need to get dV < V0 dphi.

dphi = 2pi / 15 = 420 mrad => dV < 0.2 V => dV < +/- 0.1V

we used dV = +/- 0.02V but perharps we can relax the constraint.

we also reduced the RF scanning speed at 0.1V/s to let the system find the right phase when the system is slowly drifting.


 

 

 

 

 

 

                Reply   Optimizing lock parameters for stable X-ray production, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | software 

this morning, I did some walking procedure and I got 82kW in the FPC with 33% amplifier ratio (after CEP optimization too).
but when I move the FP cavity motors to adjust the frequency, I cannot keep this power and it is reduced.
could it be we get a stronger correlation between axis than before in the mechanics has more rust than before ?

I'm able to keep the power quite easily with a stable phase related to the 33MHz RF generator,
so, we are ready to produce X-rays again.

we could do also a measurement of the amplifier power vs ratio, as maybe it reduced a bit which could explain why we have this small power drop compare to before.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Today, after setting the locking parameters, I got 80kW in the FPC for 33% amplifier ratio after CEP tuning (Smaract CH2 ~ -423.5µm) and alignment.

maybe the alignment has to be improved by some walking procedure.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

This afternoon, we scanned the optical table vertically with the hexapod in asynchronous mode to find its optimum position, looking at the X-ray production.
then, we searched for the correct bucket and phase in the bucket thanks to the Kevin script on the 500MHz and the 33MHz phases.

we got relatively easily some stable X-rays.
on the gain "0" on the current amplifier of the X-rays photodiode, we got 15 000 pA (380k Xrays / pA => 5.7.10^9 Xrays).
but we saw, when the cathode charge was fluctuating, that we could be saturated above 20 000 pA !

the power in the cavity was ~84kW after CEP and alignment tuning.

the command to launch the X-rays measurement window is:
taurustrend -r 100 /XLI/OP/TMD.01/I1

Ronic Chiche wrote:

This morning, I wanted to test quickly if the Smaract motors can be used in open loop instead of closed loop or in piezo scan.

the goal is to do very fine steps without to much vibrations (like with piezo scan mode) but with the full motor range (the piezo scan mode has a very limited range).

I can check what happens to the 33MHz beating frequency between the laser and the RF frequency without the laser amplifier or the lock of the FP-cavity.
1Hz of beating freqency variation is equivalent to 270nm of round-trip length, which is 135nm of motor displacement !

=> the full range of the piezo scan mode is difficult to estimate because the measurement sensitivity is not good enough but around 5Hz.

=> 1350nm in closed loop is equivalent to ~ 10Hz => 135nm is equivalent to 1Hz => ok

=> 1 step in open loop is equivalent to ~ 10Hz !!! => this is a way too coarse tuning !!!! => cannot be used unless one finds a way to set the motion differently in the settings parameters.
but usually, the settings parameters are used only to tune the speed, not the step size.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Today with Daniele and Alice, we operated to cavity.
we obtained 84kW for 33% of amplifier ratio.
we had to tune the CEP @ -565µm and the FP-cavity alignment.

then we locked properly the FP-cavity on the ring RF frequency.
we quite easily relock with the correct phase when we are loosing the lock.

the ThomX machine was running during these 2 locks, so we are ready for doing X-rays again.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

here are the (good) lock parameters used this morning.

for the RF/FPC lock, the 33MHz beating signal used to select the right bucket is 1Vpp
=> beating signal : V0 . sin(phi) with V0=0.5V.

to discrimate a 500MHz bucket, we need to get dV < V0 dphi.

dphi = 2pi / 15 = 420 mrad => dV < 0.2 V => dV < +/- 0.1V

we used dV = +/- 0.02V but perharps we can relax the constraint.

we also reduced the RF scanning speed at 0.1V/s to let the system find the right phase when the system is slowly drifting.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                   Reply   Optimizing lock parameters for stable X-ray production, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | software 

this morning, I did some walking procedure and CEP alignment to get ~80kW in the FPC with 33% amplifier ratio.

we have to check if this power drop comes from:

- a laser amplifier power drop
- or related to some cavity axis shift which could change the cavity gain due to L-shapes

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some walking procedure and I got 82kW in the FPC with 33% amplifier ratio (after CEP optimization too).
but when I move the FP cavity motors to adjust the frequency, I cannot keep this power and it is reduced.
could it be we get a stronger correlation between axis than before in the mechanics has more rust than before ?

I'm able to keep the power quite easily with a stable phase related to the 33MHz RF generator,
so, we are ready to produce X-rays again.

we could do also a measurement of the amplifier power vs ratio, as maybe it reduced a bit which could explain why we have this small power drop compare to before.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Today, after setting the locking parameters, I got 80kW in the FPC for 33% amplifier ratio after CEP tuning (Smaract CH2 ~ -423.5µm) and alignment.

maybe the alignment has to be improved by some walking procedure.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

This afternoon, we scanned the optical table vertically with the hexapod in asynchronous mode to find its optimum position, looking at the X-ray production.
then, we searched for the correct bucket and phase in the bucket thanks to the Kevin script on the 500MHz and the 33MHz phases.

we got relatively easily some stable X-rays.
on the gain "0" on the current amplifier of the X-rays photodiode, we got 15 000 pA (380k Xrays / pA => 5.7.10^9 Xrays).
but we saw, when the cathode charge was fluctuating, that we could be saturated above 20 000 pA !

the power in the cavity was ~84kW after CEP and alignment tuning.

the command to launch the X-rays measurement window is:
taurustrend -r 100 /XLI/OP/TMD.01/I1

Ronic Chiche wrote:

This morning, I wanted to test quickly if the Smaract motors can be used in open loop instead of closed loop or in piezo scan.

the goal is to do very fine steps without to much vibrations (like with piezo scan mode) but with the full motor range (the piezo scan mode has a very limited range).

I can check what happens to the 33MHz beating frequency between the laser and the RF frequency without the laser amplifier or the lock of the FP-cavity.
1Hz of beating freqency variation is equivalent to 270nm of round-trip length, which is 135nm of motor displacement !

=> the full range of the piezo scan mode is difficult to estimate because the measurement sensitivity is not good enough but around 5Hz.

=> 1350nm in closed loop is equivalent to ~ 10Hz => 135nm is equivalent to 1Hz => ok

=> 1 step in open loop is equivalent to ~ 10Hz !!! => this is a way too coarse tuning !!!! => cannot be used unless one finds a way to set the motion differently in the settings parameters.
but usually, the settings parameters are used only to tune the speed, not the step size.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Today with Daniele and Alice, we operated to cavity.
we obtained 84kW for 33% of amplifier ratio.
we had to tune the CEP @ -565µm and the FP-cavity alignment.

then we locked properly the FP-cavity on the ring RF frequency.
we quite easily relock with the correct phase when we are loosing the lock.

the ThomX machine was running during these 2 locks, so we are ready for doing X-rays again.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

here are the (good) lock parameters used this morning.

for the RF/FPC lock, the 33MHz beating signal used to select the right bucket is 1Vpp
=> beating signal : V0 . sin(phi) with V0=0.5V.

to discrimate a 500MHz bucket, we need to get dV < V0 dphi.

dphi = 2pi / 15 = 420 mrad => dV < 0.2 V => dV < +/- 0.1V

we used dV = +/- 0.02V but perharps we can relax the constraint.

we also reduced the RF scanning speed at 0.1V/s to let the system find the right phase when the system is slowly drifting.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                      Reply   Optimizing lock parameters for stable X-ray production, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | software 

the RF frequency is now 500.1003MHz which is equivalent (if divided by 15) to 33.34002MHz.

the frequency has to be changed by ~2kHz @33MHz <=> ~550µm /2 for one motor.

I changed the laser and the FP cavities frequency.

for the laser frequency, the smaract motor CH1 is at 1.500627m.

for the FPC frequency, the plane mirror motors are at MOT.03= - 123 130 steps and MOT.06

BE CARREFUL, when the offset frequency is large, as we measure it on a scope with a beat frequency, if the scope window is too large,
one gets some stromboscope effect and one measures a lower frequency depending on the number of points in the window.

we got ~81kW for 33% amplifier ratio

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some walking procedure and CEP alignment to get ~80kW in the FPC with 33% amplifier ratio.

we have to check if this power drop comes from:

- a laser amplifier power drop
- or related to some cavity axis shift which could change the cavity gain due to L-shapes

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I did some walking procedure and I got 82kW in the FPC with 33% amplifier ratio (after CEP optimization too).
but when I move the FP cavity motors to adjust the frequency, I cannot keep this power and it is reduced.
could it be we get a stronger correlation between axis than before in the mechanics has more rust than before ?

I'm able to keep the power quite easily with a stable phase related to the 33MHz RF generator,
so, we are ready to produce X-rays again.

we could do also a measurement of the amplifier power vs ratio, as maybe it reduced a bit which could explain why we have this small power drop compare to before.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Today, after setting the locking parameters, I got 80kW in the FPC for 33% amplifier ratio after CEP tuning (Smaract CH2 ~ -423.5µm) and alignment.

maybe the alignment has to be improved by some walking procedure.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

This afternoon, we scanned the optical table vertically with the hexapod in asynchronous mode to find its optimum position, looking at the X-ray production.
then, we searched for the correct bucket and phase in the bucket thanks to the Kevin script on the 500MHz and the 33MHz phases.

we got relatively easily some stable X-rays.
on the gain "0" on the current amplifier of the X-rays photodiode, we got 15 000 pA (380k Xrays / pA => 5.7.10^9 Xrays).
but we saw, when the cathode charge was fluctuating, that we could be saturated above 20 000 pA !

the power in the cavity was ~84kW after CEP and alignment tuning.

the command to launch the X-rays measurement window is:
taurustrend -r 100 /XLI/OP/TMD.01/I1

Ronic Chiche wrote:

This morning, I wanted to test quickly if the Smaract motors can be used in open loop instead of closed loop or in piezo scan.

the goal is to do very fine steps without to much vibrations (like with piezo scan mode) but with the full motor range (the piezo scan mode has a very limited range).

I can check what happens to the 33MHz beating frequency between the laser and the RF frequency without the laser amplifier or the lock of the FP-cavity.
1Hz of beating freqency variation is equivalent to 270nm of round-trip length, which is 135nm of motor displacement !

=> the full range of the piezo scan mode is difficult to estimate because the measurement sensitivity is not good enough but around 5Hz.

=> 1350nm in closed loop is equivalent to ~ 10Hz => 135nm is equivalent to 1Hz => ok

=> 1 step in open loop is equivalent to ~ 10Hz !!! => this is a way too coarse tuning !!!! => cannot be used unless one finds a way to set the motion differently in the settings parameters.
but usually, the settings parameters are used only to tune the speed, not the step size.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Today with Daniele and Alice, we operated to cavity.
we obtained 84kW for 33% of amplifier ratio.
we had to tune the CEP @ -565µm and the FP-cavity alignment.

then we locked properly the FP-cavity on the ring RF frequency.
we quite easily relock with the correct phase when we are loosing the lock.

the ThomX machine was running during these 2 locks, so we are ready for doing X-rays again.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

here are the (good) lock parameters used this morning.

for the RF/FPC lock, the 33MHz beating signal used to select the right bucket is 1Vpp
=> beating signal : V0 . sin(phi) with V0=0.5V.

to discrimate a 500MHz bucket, we need to get dV < V0 dphi.

dphi = 2pi / 15 = 420 mrad => dV < 0.2 V => dV < +/- 0.1V

we used dV = +/- 0.02V but perharps we can relax the constraint.

we also reduced the RF scanning speed at 0.1V/s to let the system find the right phase when the system is slowly drifting.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Entry   Onefive 33MHz modelock loss, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

On Friday 11th of October, due to the Yvette flooding, all the AC power of ThomX have been shut down.
After the shutdown, I had to restart the Onefive oscillator but the laser modelock was lost.
I had to do a step of 1mm at 10mm/s with the Smaract motor on the rep rate channel (CH1)

After the step, the laser was mode-locking again, and I put it back in the original position at a much lower speed, ~10µm/s, to prevent a new modelock loss.
the power detected by the laser amplifier software is still above 3mW! => OK

Surprisingly, the laser amplifier software is not able to detect the oscillator frequency.
hopefully, the internal photodiode of the oscillator is sent to the CH4 of the R&S scope (192.168.229.21)
and we measured a correct 30ns of period, corresponding to 33MHz.

Because all the safety procedures are not fulfilled, the laser amplifier is not granted to start.
Maybe it is the Reason for the lack of measurement => to be verified later
 

    Reply   Onefive 33MHz modelock loss, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

This morning, I verified the reason why the seeder frequency was not displayed on the amplifier software screen:

one needs to start the amplifier (even at 0%) to see the seeder frequency !!!
now, we have 33.371MHz as expected ! => OK

the last thing to do is to tune again the PDH demodulation frequency, as the generator has been shut off during the AC shut down.
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

On Friday 11th of October, due to the Yvette flooding, all the AC power of ThomX have been shut down.
After the shutdown, I had to restart the Onefive oscillator but the laser modelock was lost.
I had to do a step of 1mm at 10mm/s with the Smaract motor on the rep rate channel (CH1)

After the step, the laser was mode-locking again, and I put it back in the original position at a much lower speed, ~10µm/s, to prevent a new modelock loss.
the power detected by the laser amplifier software is still above 3mW! => OK

Surprisingly, the laser amplifier software is not able to detect the oscillator frequency.
hopefully, the internal photodiode of the oscillator is sent to the CH4 of the R&S scope (192.168.229.21)
and we measured a correct 30ns of period, corresponding to 33MHz.

Because all the safety procedures are not fulfilled, the laser amplifier is not granted to start.
Maybe it is the Reason for the lack of measurement => to be verified later
 

 

       Reply   Onefive 33MHz modelock loss, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

After the new Yvette flooding of the last week and the consecutive AC-shut down, I restarted this morning the laser with the same procedure (step of 1mm at 10mm/s with the Smaract motor on the rep rate channel (CH1)).

now, we have again 33.371MHz and 3.1mW input power as expected ! => OK

the last thing to do is to tune again the PDH demodulation frequency, as the generator has been shut off during the AC shut down.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

This morning, I verified the reason why the seeder frequency was not displayed on the amplifier software screen:

one needs to start the amplifier (even at 0%) to see the seeder frequency !!!
now, we have 33.371MHz as expected ! => OK

the last thing to do is to tune again the PDH demodulation frequency, as the generator has been shut off during the AC shut down.
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

On Friday 11th of October, due to the Yvette flooding, all the AC power of ThomX have been shut down.
After the shutdown, I had to restart the Onefive oscillator but the laser modelock was lost.
I had to do a step of 1mm at 10mm/s with the Smaract motor on the rep rate channel (CH1)

After the step, the laser was mode-locking again, and I put it back in the original position at a much lower speed, ~10µm/s, to prevent a new modelock loss.
the power detected by the laser amplifier software is still above 3mW! => OK

Surprisingly, the laser amplifier software is not able to detect the oscillator frequency.
hopefully, the internal photodiode of the oscillator is sent to the CH4 of the R&S scope (192.168.229.21)
and we measured a correct 30ns of period, corresponding to 33MHz.

Because all the safety procedures are not fulfilled, the laser amplifier is not granted to start.
Maybe it is the Reason for the lack of measurement => to be verified later
 

 

 

          Reply   Onefive 33MHz modelock loss, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

For the modulation/demodulation generator for the PDH signal,
after a power shutdown, on can :
1) restart the generator to get the correct parameters:
CH1:3Vrms on 50 ohms @ 8.4MHz (demod)
CH2: 100mVrms on 50 ohms @ 8.4MHz (modulation on EOM)

2) do an "Align phase" on the generator

3) put 270° on CH2 (0° on CH1) to get the max Error signal
and use a "positive" sign on the Laselock : cf https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/365

Ronic Chiche wrote:

After the new Yvette flooding of the last week and the consecutive AC-shut down, I restarted this morning the laser with the same procedure (step of 1mm at 10mm/s with the Smaract motor on the rep rate channel (CH1)).

now, we have again 33.371MHz and 3.1mW input power as expected ! => OK

the last thing to do is to tune again the PDH demodulation frequency, as the generator has been shut off during the AC shut down.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

This morning, I verified the reason why the seeder frequency was not displayed on the amplifier software screen:

one needs to start the amplifier (even at 0%) to see the seeder frequency !!!
now, we have 33.371MHz as expected ! => OK

the last thing to do is to tune again the PDH demodulation frequency, as the generator has been shut off during the AC shut down.
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

On Friday 11th of October, due to the Yvette flooding, all the AC power of ThomX have been shut down.
After the shutdown, I had to restart the Onefive oscillator but the laser modelock was lost.
I had to do a step of 1mm at 10mm/s with the Smaract motor on the rep rate channel (CH1)

After the step, the laser was mode-locking again, and I put it back in the original position at a much lower speed, ~10µm/s, to prevent a new modelock loss.
the power detected by the laser amplifier software is still above 3mW! => OK

Surprisingly, the laser amplifier software is not able to detect the oscillator frequency.
hopefully, the internal photodiode of the oscillator is sent to the CH4 of the R&S scope (192.168.229.21)
and we measured a correct 30ns of period, corresponding to 33MHz.

Because all the safety procedures are not fulfilled, the laser amplifier is not granted to start.
Maybe it is the Reason for the lack of measurement => to be verified later
 

 

 

 

Entry   Characterizing Focus Tunable Lens, posted by Fatematuj Johora at Optical room about lasers and optics Updates_of_Focus_Tunable_lenses.pdf

Yesterday Ronic and I worked on the high laser power measurements with the Vertical set-up of the Focus Tunable Lens. We went upto 38W@4 dpt at the begining and then also changed the focal power at 38W.

Observation:

1. We observed nice rings @38W 4dpt, maybe it hits some optics we have to check.

2. We also observed flactuations of power for two adjacent index of the beam profiler when we increase the laser power, which we need to understand.

3. We could see that the vertical deformation is not present for this set-up, we could remove the effect of gravity by this set-up.

Entry   Finding correct motors position and parameters to keep the lock during a move, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics 

this morning, I try to find a new region for MOT.03 and MOT.06 where we can move them without unlocking the cavity.

I started from the position:
MOT06 : ~ -785 000
MOT03 : ~ -200 000

and I do -10 000 steps (dz = 10k x 6nm = 60µm) at a time on both motors.
previously a good region for MOT.06 was -900 000 !

I moved also the laser cavity by 40µm to cancel the beating with the RF frequency.

MOT06 : ~ -795 000
MOT03 : ~ -191 000

Max power after optimazing the CEP ~ 65kW => I need to realign => 78kW
I need to increase the D parameter on the PID to compensate the (85kW / 78kW ratio).

I changed the MOT.03 and MOT.06 speed to 30steps/s => it seems a bit better.
but I still see some lock losses during a move.

.... to be continued...

    Reply   Finding correct motors position and parameters to keep the lock during a move, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics 

this morning with Daniele, we did a quite long run with this motor position and it seems we don't lose the lock too much.

the motor positions are:

MOT.03 (M4): -186 500 steps

MOT.06 (M1): -797 500 steps

we got 85kW after CEP optimization and rough alignment optimization.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I try to find a new region for MOT.03 and MOT.06 where we can move them without unlocking the cavity.

I started from the position:
MOT06 : ~ -785 000
MOT03 : ~ -200 000

and I do -10 000 steps (dz = 10k x 6nm = 60µm) at a time on both motors.
previously a good region for MOT.06 was -900 000 !

I moved also the laser cavity by 40µm to cancel the beating with the RF frequency.

MOT06 : ~ -795 000
MOT03 : ~ -191 000

Max power after optimazing the CEP ~ 65kW => I need to realign => 78kW
I need to increase the D parameter on the PID to compensate the (85kW / 78kW ratio).

I changed the MOT.03 and MOT.06 speed to 30steps/s => it seems a bit better.
but I still see some lock losses during a move.

.... to be continued...

 

Entry   restarting CFP system after the long summer shutdown (RF section conditionning) and Alphanov amplifier issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics | software Capture.JPGCapture2.JPG

temperature in the casemate ~ 19.5°C stable

this morning, I measured the power directly at the output of the fiber coupler (through the output fiber), after the strecher : ~5mW
then, I connected the EOM used for the PDH technic : ~2.5mW
then, I connected the fiber of the EOM to the Alphanov amplifier input fiber.

LAL Alphnov software :
PD_IN           = 3.289mW
PD_PULSE   = 33.372MHz

=> nothing to do ! :-)))

I switched ON the preamplifier (3rd stage @ 0%) => PD_Preamp2 = 152.44mW

 

    Reply   restarting CFP system after the long summer shutdown (RF section conditionning) and Alphanov amplifier issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics | software Capture.JPG

I refilled the chiller and the stabilized temperature is @ 25°C

we started the 3rd stage of the Alphanov amplifier at 30% => PD_OUT is fluctuating around 1-1.4W => it's not related to the real output power !

the photodiode connected to the scope CH2 is around 210mV @ 50ohms

we clearly see some small peak on the transmission signal (scope CH1) => we need to optimize the laser cavity length and the CEP

Ronic Chiche wrote:

temperature in the casemate ~ 19.5°C stable

this morning, I measured the power directly at the output of the fiber coupler (through the output fiber), after the strecher : ~5mW
then, I connected the EOM used for the PDH technic : ~2.5mW
then, I connected the fiber of the EOM to the Alphanov amplifier input fiber.

LAL Alphnov software :
PD_IN           = 3.289mW
PD_PULSE   = 33.372MHz

=> nothing to do ! :-)))

I switched ON the preamplifier (3rd stage @ 0%) => PD_Preamp2 = 152.44mW

 

 

       Reply   restarting CFP system after the long summer shutdown (RF section conditionning) and Alphanov amplifier issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics | software Sans_titre.png

we had to move the laser cavity motor to find the resonances and change a lot the CEP.

the CEP motor is at -524.1µm

we got ~75kW in the FP cavity without alignment but with CEP optimization.

the coupling (the cyan color) is ~ 62% !

=> we need to do some alignment

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I refilled the chiller and the stabilized temperature is @ 25°C

we started the 3rd stage of the Alphanov amplifier at 30% => PD_OUT is fluctuating around 1-1.4W => it's not related to the real output power !

the photodiode connected to the scope CH2 is around 210mV @ 50ohms

we clearly see some small peak on the transmission signal (scope CH1) => we need to optimize the laser cavity length and the CEP

Ronic Chiche wrote:

temperature in the casemate ~ 19.5°C stable

this morning, I measured the power directly at the output of the fiber coupler (through the output fiber), after the strecher : ~5mW
then, I connected the EOM used for the PDH technic : ~2.5mW
then, I connected the fiber of the EOM to the Alphanov amplifier input fiber.

LAL Alphnov software :
PD_IN           = 3.289mW
PD_PULSE   = 33.372MHz

=> nothing to do ! :-)))

I switched ON the preamplifier (3rd stage @ 0%) => PD_Preamp2 = 152.44mW

 

 

 

          Reply   restarting CFP system after the long summer shutdown (RF section conditionning) and Alphanov amplifier issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics | software Capture.JPG

after doing some alignment (walking procedure on the Y axis), and CEP optimization, I got 83kW for 33% on the laser amplifier with a coupling of ~60%

=> we have to check the input power after the amplifier.

I adjusted the FP and laser cavity motors to have a small 33MHz detuning with the RF reference (~10 Hz of beating @ 33MHz)

pb : I don't see the 500MHz beating signal => to be checked

during the motion of the FP-cavity motors, I observed a systematic delock when moving MOT.06 on P1z and no delock with MOT.03 on P4z when I move by 10 steps.
Kevin checked that both IcePap controller have the same configuration and then, the problem is maybe coming from the rust observed on the mechanic.
 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

we had to move the laser cavity motor to find the resonances and change a lot the CEP.

the CEP motor is at -524.1µm

we got ~75kW in the FP cavity without alignment but with CEP optimization.

the coupling (the cyan color) is ~ 62% !

=> we need to do some alignment

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I refilled the chiller and the stabilized temperature is @ 25°C

we started the 3rd stage of the Alphanov amplifier at 30% => PD_OUT is fluctuating around 1-1.4W => it's not related to the real output power !

the photodiode connected to the scope CH2 is around 210mV @ 50ohms

we clearly see some small peak on the transmission signal (scope CH1) => we need to optimize the laser cavity length and the CEP

Ronic Chiche wrote:

temperature in the casemate ~ 19.5°C stable

this morning, I measured the power directly at the output of the fiber coupler (through the output fiber), after the strecher : ~5mW
then, I connected the EOM used for the PDH technic : ~2.5mW
then, I connected the fiber of the EOM to the Alphanov amplifier input fiber.

LAL Alphnov software :
PD_IN           = 3.289mW
PD_PULSE   = 33.372MHz

=> nothing to do ! :-)))

I switched ON the preamplifier (3rd stage @ 0%) => PD_Preamp2 = 152.44mW

 

 

 

 

             Reply   restarting CFP system after the long summer shutdown (RF section conditionning) and Alphanov amplifier issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics | software 

this morning with Daniele, we are measuring the amplifier power just before the FP-cavity.
Casemate temperature @19.5°C

@0% : 205mW
@10%: 755mW
@20%: 7.44W
@30%: 14.3W
@33%:16.3W
@40% : 20.3W
@50% : 24W
@60% : 26W

=> there is a power issue !!!

the normal casemate temperature should be in between 21 and 22°C.
cf this post (https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/133) to get previous amplifier power.

=> it seems we need to redo the compressor CVBG alignment !
first, we will check the amplifier power before the compressor.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

after doing some alignment (walking procedure on the Y axis), and CEP optimization, I got 83kW for 33% on the laser amplifier with a coupling of ~60%

=> we have to check the input power after the amplifier.

I adjusted the FP and laser cavity motors to have a small 33MHz detuning with the RF reference (~10 Hz of beating @ 33MHz)

pb : I don't see the 500MHz beating signal => to be checked

during the motion of the FP-cavity motors, I observed a systematic delock when moving MOT.06 on P1z and no delock with MOT.03 on P4z when I move by 10 steps.
Kevin checked that both IcePap controller have the same configuration and then, the problem is maybe coming from the rust observed on the mechanic.
 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

we had to move the laser cavity motor to find the resonances and change a lot the CEP.

the CEP motor is at -524.1µm

we got ~75kW in the FP cavity without alignment but with CEP optimization.

the coupling (the cyan color) is ~ 62% !

=> we need to do some alignment

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I refilled the chiller and the stabilized temperature is @ 25°C

we started the 3rd stage of the Alphanov amplifier at 30% => PD_OUT is fluctuating around 1-1.4W => it's not related to the real output power !

the photodiode connected to the scope CH2 is around 210mV @ 50ohms

we clearly see some small peak on the transmission signal (scope CH1) => we need to optimize the laser cavity length and the CEP

Ronic Chiche wrote:

temperature in the casemate ~ 19.5°C stable

this morning, I measured the power directly at the output of the fiber coupler (through the output fiber), after the strecher : ~5mW
then, I connected the EOM used for the PDH technic : ~2.5mW
then, I connected the fiber of the EOM to the Alphanov amplifier input fiber.

LAL Alphnov software :
PD_IN           = 3.289mW
PD_PULSE   = 33.372MHz

=> nothing to do ! :-)))

I switched ON the preamplifier (3rd stage @ 0%) => PD_Preamp2 = 152.44mW

 

 

 

 

 

                Reply   restarting CFP system after the long summer shutdown (RF section conditionning) and Alphanov amplifier issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics | software 

After the summer power shutdown, I restarted all the equipements and got quickly ~80kW for 33% amplifier ratio with CEP optimization and without Alignment optimization.

CEP motor position : -506µm

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning with Daniele, we are measuring the amplifier power just before the FP-cavity.
Casemate temperature @19.5°C

@0% : 205mW
@10%: 755mW
@20%: 7.44W
@30%: 14.3W
@33%:16.3W
@40% : 20.3W
@50% : 24W
@60% : 26W

=> there is a power issue !!!

the normal casemate temperature should be in between 21 and 22°C.
cf this post (https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/133) to get previous amplifier power.

=> it seems we need to redo the compressor CVBG alignment !
first, we will check the amplifier power before the compressor.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

after doing some alignment (walking procedure on the Y axis), and CEP optimization, I got 83kW for 33% on the laser amplifier with a coupling of ~60%

=> we have to check the input power after the amplifier.

I adjusted the FP and laser cavity motors to have a small 33MHz detuning with the RF reference (~10 Hz of beating @ 33MHz)

pb : I don't see the 500MHz beating signal => to be checked

during the motion of the FP-cavity motors, I observed a systematic delock when moving MOT.06 on P1z and no delock with MOT.03 on P4z when I move by 10 steps.
Kevin checked that both IcePap controller have the same configuration and then, the problem is maybe coming from the rust observed on the mechanic.
 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

we had to move the laser cavity motor to find the resonances and change a lot the CEP.

the CEP motor is at -524.1µm

we got ~75kW in the FP cavity without alignment but with CEP optimization.

the coupling (the cyan color) is ~ 62% !

=> we need to do some alignment

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I refilled the chiller and the stabilized temperature is @ 25°C

we started the 3rd stage of the Alphanov amplifier at 30% => PD_OUT is fluctuating around 1-1.4W => it's not related to the real output power !

the photodiode connected to the scope CH2 is around 210mV @ 50ohms

we clearly see some small peak on the transmission signal (scope CH1) => we need to optimize the laser cavity length and the CEP

Ronic Chiche wrote:

temperature in the casemate ~ 19.5°C stable

this morning, I measured the power directly at the output of the fiber coupler (through the output fiber), after the strecher : ~5mW
then, I connected the EOM used for the PDH technic : ~2.5mW
then, I connected the fiber of the EOM to the Alphanov amplifier input fiber.

LAL Alphnov software :
PD_IN           = 3.289mW
PD_PULSE   = 33.372MHz

=> nothing to do ! :-)))

I switched ON the preamplifier (3rd stage @ 0%) => PD_Preamp2 = 152.44mW

 

 

 

 

 

 

                   Reply   restarting CFP system after the long summer shutdown (RF section conditionning) and Alphanov amplifier issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics | software 

amplifier power measurement before the compressor CVBG.
we used a mirror in between the amplifier output and the compressor + a 2-mirror periscope to match the powermeter height.

amp ratio (%)          power (W)

0                               0.7
10                             1.65
20                             13
30                             25
40                             37.7
50                             50.5
60                             62
70                             74
80                             86
90                             99
100                          110

we had an alarm @100% of amplifier ratio => the reason is not clear... maybe it's coming from a discrepency between some internal measurement and the expected value.
we checked the power after the alarm => still OK

conclusion, the amplifier seems to be OK... we need to redo the alignment of the compressor CVBG.
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

After the summer power shutdown, I restarted all the equipements and got quickly ~80kW for 33% amplifier ratio with CEP optimization and without Alignment optimization.

CEP motor position : -506µm

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning with Daniele, we are measuring the amplifier power just before the FP-cavity.
Casemate temperature @19.5°C

@0% : 205mW
@10%: 755mW
@20%: 7.44W
@30%: 14.3W
@33%:16.3W
@40% : 20.3W
@50% : 24W
@60% : 26W

=> there is a power issue !!!

the normal casemate temperature should be in between 21 and 22°C.
cf this post (https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/133) to get previous amplifier power.

=> it seems we need to redo the compressor CVBG alignment !
first, we will check the amplifier power before the compressor.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

after doing some alignment (walking procedure on the Y axis), and CEP optimization, I got 83kW for 33% on the laser amplifier with a coupling of ~60%

=> we have to check the input power after the amplifier.

I adjusted the FP and laser cavity motors to have a small 33MHz detuning with the RF reference (~10 Hz of beating @ 33MHz)

pb : I don't see the 500MHz beating signal => to be checked

during the motion of the FP-cavity motors, I observed a systematic delock when moving MOT.06 on P1z and no delock with MOT.03 on P4z when I move by 10 steps.
Kevin checked that both IcePap controller have the same configuration and then, the problem is maybe coming from the rust observed on the mechanic.
 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

we had to move the laser cavity motor to find the resonances and change a lot the CEP.

the CEP motor is at -524.1µm

we got ~75kW in the FP cavity without alignment but with CEP optimization.

the coupling (the cyan color) is ~ 62% !

=> we need to do some alignment

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I refilled the chiller and the stabilized temperature is @ 25°C

we started the 3rd stage of the Alphanov amplifier at 30% => PD_OUT is fluctuating around 1-1.4W => it's not related to the real output power !

the photodiode connected to the scope CH2 is around 210mV @ 50ohms

we clearly see some small peak on the transmission signal (scope CH1) => we need to optimize the laser cavity length and the CEP

Ronic Chiche wrote:

temperature in the casemate ~ 19.5°C stable

this morning, I measured the power directly at the output of the fiber coupler (through the output fiber), after the strecher : ~5mW
then, I connected the EOM used for the PDH technic : ~2.5mW
then, I connected the fiber of the EOM to the Alphanov amplifier input fiber.

LAL Alphnov software :
PD_IN           = 3.289mW
PD_PULSE   = 33.372MHz

=> nothing to do ! :-)))

I switched ON the preamplifier (3rd stage @ 0%) => PD_Preamp2 = 152.44mW

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                      Reply   restarting CFP system after the long summer shutdown (RF section conditionning) and Alphanov amplifier issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics | software 

after redoing the alignment of the CVBG, we got back the initial power in the FPC (87kW)

now, I checked the RF locking signals on the 2nd oscilloscope.
I get a strange ratio between the 33MHz beating and the 500MHz beating signals.
beat @ 33MHz ~ 40kHz !
beat @ 500MHz ~ 700Hz !

maybe the 33MHz generator frequency is not matching the 500MHz RF frequency ?
 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

amplifier power measurement before the compressor CVBG.
we used a mirror in between the amplifier output and the compressor + a 2-mirror periscope to match the powermeter height.

amp ratio (%)          power (W)

0                               0.7
10                             1.65
20                             13
30                             25
40                             37.7
50                             50.5
60                             62
70                             74
80                             86
90                             99
100                          110

we had an alarm @100% of amplifier ratio => the reason is not clear... maybe it's coming from a discrepency between some internal measurement and the expected value.
we checked the power after the alarm => still OK

conclusion, the amplifier seems to be OK... we need to redo the alignment of the compressor CVBG.
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

After the summer power shutdown, I restarted all the equipements and got quickly ~80kW for 33% amplifier ratio with CEP optimization and without Alignment optimization.

CEP motor position : -506µm

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning with Daniele, we are measuring the amplifier power just before the FP-cavity.
Casemate temperature @19.5°C

@0% : 205mW
@10%: 755mW
@20%: 7.44W
@30%: 14.3W
@33%:16.3W
@40% : 20.3W
@50% : 24W
@60% : 26W

=> there is a power issue !!!

the normal casemate temperature should be in between 21 and 22°C.
cf this post (https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/133) to get previous amplifier power.

=> it seems we need to redo the compressor CVBG alignment !
first, we will check the amplifier power before the compressor.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

after doing some alignment (walking procedure on the Y axis), and CEP optimization, I got 83kW for 33% on the laser amplifier with a coupling of ~60%

=> we have to check the input power after the amplifier.

I adjusted the FP and laser cavity motors to have a small 33MHz detuning with the RF reference (~10 Hz of beating @ 33MHz)

pb : I don't see the 500MHz beating signal => to be checked

during the motion of the FP-cavity motors, I observed a systematic delock when moving MOT.06 on P1z and no delock with MOT.03 on P4z when I move by 10 steps.
Kevin checked that both IcePap controller have the same configuration and then, the problem is maybe coming from the rust observed on the mechanic.
 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

we had to move the laser cavity motor to find the resonances and change a lot the CEP.

the CEP motor is at -524.1µm

we got ~75kW in the FP cavity without alignment but with CEP optimization.

the coupling (the cyan color) is ~ 62% !

=> we need to do some alignment

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I refilled the chiller and the stabilized temperature is @ 25°C

we started the 3rd stage of the Alphanov amplifier at 30% => PD_OUT is fluctuating around 1-1.4W => it's not related to the real output power !

the photodiode connected to the scope CH2 is around 210mV @ 50ohms

we clearly see some small peak on the transmission signal (scope CH1) => we need to optimize the laser cavity length and the CEP

Ronic Chiche wrote:

temperature in the casemate ~ 19.5°C stable

this morning, I measured the power directly at the output of the fiber coupler (through the output fiber), after the strecher : ~5mW
then, I connected the EOM used for the PDH technic : ~2.5mW
then, I connected the fiber of the EOM to the Alphanov amplifier input fiber.

LAL Alphnov software :
PD_IN           = 3.289mW
PD_PULSE   = 33.372MHz

=> nothing to do ! :-)))

I switched ON the preamplifier (3rd stage @ 0%) => PD_Preamp2 = 152.44mW

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                         Reply   restarting CFP system after the long summer shutdown (RF section conditionning) and Alphanov amplifier issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics | software 

now, the Ring RF frequency is set to 500.067MHz.

so the CFP/laser frequency should be 500.067MHz/15 = 33.3378MHz.

the frequency was set to 33.378MHz !!! => it explains the frequency shift only on the 33MHz beating => I corrected the frequency on the generator and informed Nicolas Delerue.

=> now, I can try to lock the CFP to the RF frequency.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

after redoing the alignment of the CVBG, we got back the initial power in the FPC (87kW)

now, I checked the RF locking signals on the 2nd oscilloscope.
I get a strange ratio between the 33MHz beating and the 500MHz beating signals.
beat @ 33MHz ~ 40kHz !
beat @ 500MHz ~ 700Hz !

maybe the 33MHz generator frequency is not matching the 500MHz RF frequency ?
 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

amplifier power measurement before the compressor CVBG.
we used a mirror in between the amplifier output and the compressor + a 2-mirror periscope to match the powermeter height.

amp ratio (%)          power (W)

0                               0.7
10                             1.65
20                             13
30                             25
40                             37.7
50                             50.5
60                             62
70                             74
80                             86
90                             99
100                          110

we had an alarm @100% of amplifier ratio => the reason is not clear... maybe it's coming from a discrepency between some internal measurement and the expected value.
we checked the power after the alarm => still OK

conclusion, the amplifier seems to be OK... we need to redo the alignment of the compressor CVBG.
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

After the summer power shutdown, I restarted all the equipements and got quickly ~80kW for 33% amplifier ratio with CEP optimization and without Alignment optimization.

CEP motor position : -506µm

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning with Daniele, we are measuring the amplifier power just before the FP-cavity.
Casemate temperature @19.5°C

@0% : 205mW
@10%: 755mW
@20%: 7.44W
@30%: 14.3W
@33%:16.3W
@40% : 20.3W
@50% : 24W
@60% : 26W

=> there is a power issue !!!

the normal casemate temperature should be in between 21 and 22°C.
cf this post (https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/133) to get previous amplifier power.

=> it seems we need to redo the compressor CVBG alignment !
first, we will check the amplifier power before the compressor.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

after doing some alignment (walking procedure on the Y axis), and CEP optimization, I got 83kW for 33% on the laser amplifier with a coupling of ~60%

=> we have to check the input power after the amplifier.

I adjusted the FP and laser cavity motors to have a small 33MHz detuning with the RF reference (~10 Hz of beating @ 33MHz)

pb : I don't see the 500MHz beating signal => to be checked

during the motion of the FP-cavity motors, I observed a systematic delock when moving MOT.06 on P1z and no delock with MOT.03 on P4z when I move by 10 steps.
Kevin checked that both IcePap controller have the same configuration and then, the problem is maybe coming from the rust observed on the mechanic.
 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

we had to move the laser cavity motor to find the resonances and change a lot the CEP.

the CEP motor is at -524.1µm

we got ~75kW in the FP cavity without alignment but with CEP optimization.

the coupling (the cyan color) is ~ 62% !

=> we need to do some alignment

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I refilled the chiller and the stabilized temperature is @ 25°C

we started the 3rd stage of the Alphanov amplifier at 30% => PD_OUT is fluctuating around 1-1.4W => it's not related to the real output power !

the photodiode connected to the scope CH2 is around 210mV @ 50ohms

we clearly see some small peak on the transmission signal (scope CH1) => we need to optimize the laser cavity length and the CEP

Ronic Chiche wrote:

temperature in the casemate ~ 19.5°C stable

this morning, I measured the power directly at the output of the fiber coupler (through the output fiber), after the strecher : ~5mW
then, I connected the EOM used for the PDH technic : ~2.5mW
then, I connected the fiber of the EOM to the Alphanov amplifier input fiber.

LAL Alphnov software :
PD_IN           = 3.289mW
PD_PULSE   = 33.372MHz

=> nothing to do ! :-)))

I switched ON the preamplifier (3rd stage @ 0%) => PD_Preamp2 = 152.44mW

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                            Reply   restarting CFP system after the long summer shutdown (RF section conditionning) and Alphanov amplifier issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics | software 20240906_161926.jpg

I changed a little bit the locking parameters (see picture) for the RF/FPC loop and it locked rapidely.

I asked Vincent to connect on the same scope the synchro signals to check if the FPC lock was OK => he connected 33MHz signals coming from the laser and from the 33MHz RF generator.
=> the signals are not locked even when the FPC seems to be locked to the RF.

=> it can be normal because he forgot to connect also the synchro trigger signal which gives the moment of synchronization of the machine... to be finished on Monday.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

now, the Ring RF frequency is set to 500.067MHz.

so the CFP/laser frequency should be 500.067MHz/15 = 33.3378MHz.

the frequency was set to 33.378MHz !!! => it explains the frequency shift only on the 33MHz beating => I corrected the frequency on the generator and informed Nicolas Delerue.

=> now, I can try to lock the CFP to the RF frequency.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

after redoing the alignment of the CVBG, we got back the initial power in the FPC (87kW)

now, I checked the RF locking signals on the 2nd oscilloscope.
I get a strange ratio between the 33MHz beating and the 500MHz beating signals.
beat @ 33MHz ~ 40kHz !
beat @ 500MHz ~ 700Hz !

maybe the 33MHz generator frequency is not matching the 500MHz RF frequency ?
 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

amplifier power measurement before the compressor CVBG.
we used a mirror in between the amplifier output and the compressor + a 2-mirror periscope to match the powermeter height.

amp ratio (%)          power (W)

0                               0.7
10                             1.65
20                             13
30                             25
40                             37.7
50                             50.5
60                             62
70                             74
80                             86
90                             99
100                          110

we had an alarm @100% of amplifier ratio => the reason is not clear... maybe it's coming from a discrepency between some internal measurement and the expected value.
we checked the power after the alarm => still OK

conclusion, the amplifier seems to be OK... we need to redo the alignment of the compressor CVBG.
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

After the summer power shutdown, I restarted all the equipements and got quickly ~80kW for 33% amplifier ratio with CEP optimization and without Alignment optimization.

CEP motor position : -506µm

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning with Daniele, we are measuring the amplifier power just before the FP-cavity.
Casemate temperature @19.5°C

@0% : 205mW
@10%: 755mW
@20%: 7.44W
@30%: 14.3W
@33%:16.3W
@40% : 20.3W
@50% : 24W
@60% : 26W

=> there is a power issue !!!

the normal casemate temperature should be in between 21 and 22°C.
cf this post (https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/133) to get previous amplifier power.

=> it seems we need to redo the compressor CVBG alignment !
first, we will check the amplifier power before the compressor.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

after doing some alignment (walking procedure on the Y axis), and CEP optimization, I got 83kW for 33% on the laser amplifier with a coupling of ~60%

=> we have to check the input power after the amplifier.

I adjusted the FP and laser cavity motors to have a small 33MHz detuning with the RF reference (~10 Hz of beating @ 33MHz)

pb : I don't see the 500MHz beating signal => to be checked

during the motion of the FP-cavity motors, I observed a systematic delock when moving MOT.06 on P1z and no delock with MOT.03 on P4z when I move by 10 steps.
Kevin checked that both IcePap controller have the same configuration and then, the problem is maybe coming from the rust observed on the mechanic.
 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

we had to move the laser cavity motor to find the resonances and change a lot the CEP.

the CEP motor is at -524.1µm

we got ~75kW in the FP cavity without alignment but with CEP optimization.

the coupling (the cyan color) is ~ 62% !

=> we need to do some alignment

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I refilled the chiller and the stabilized temperature is @ 25°C

we started the 3rd stage of the Alphanov amplifier at 30% => PD_OUT is fluctuating around 1-1.4W => it's not related to the real output power !

the photodiode connected to the scope CH2 is around 210mV @ 50ohms

we clearly see some small peak on the transmission signal (scope CH1) => we need to optimize the laser cavity length and the CEP

Ronic Chiche wrote:

temperature in the casemate ~ 19.5°C stable

this morning, I measured the power directly at the output of the fiber coupler (through the output fiber), after the strecher : ~5mW
then, I connected the EOM used for the PDH technic : ~2.5mW
then, I connected the fiber of the EOM to the Alphanov amplifier input fiber.

LAL Alphnov software :
PD_IN           = 3.289mW
PD_PULSE   = 33.372MHz

=> nothing to do ! :-)))

I switched ON the preamplifier (3rd stage @ 0%) => PD_Preamp2 = 152.44mW

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                               Reply   restarting CFP system after the long summer shutdown (RF section conditionning) and Alphanov amplifier issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics | software 

this morning, with Vincent :

- we added the 10Hz trigger to the CH2 on the remote scope (192.168.229.21) to check the synchronization at the right timing.
CH1 : 33MHz RING
CH2 : LINAC/RING synchro signal
CH3 : 500MHz RING
CH4 : 33MHz FPC

we successfully lock both laser on FPC (87kW for 33% amp ratio) and FPC on 500MHz RF.
we saw the result on the scope.
suprisingly, the FPC/RF lock seems much robust than before.

the only problem is the MOT.06 which make the lock being lost at almost every move.
one reason could be the rust on the mechanics... we can try to change the position of both plan mirror motors to work in a proper region.
before, it was working well at -900 000 steps on MOT.06, now it is -780 00.
it's a quite long travel...

end of this posts thread

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I changed a little bit the locking parameters (see picture) for the RF/FPC loop and it locked rapidely.

I asked Vincent to connect on the same scope the synchro signals to check if the FPC lock was OK => he connected 33MHz signals coming from the laser and from the 33MHz RF generator.
=> the signals are not locked even when the FPC seems to be locked to the RF.

=> it can be normal because he forgot to connect also the synchro trigger signal which gives the moment of synchronization of the machine... to be finished on Monday.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

now, the Ring RF frequency is set to 500.067MHz.

so the CFP/laser frequency should be 500.067MHz/15 = 33.3378MHz.

the frequency was set to 33.378MHz !!! => it explains the frequency shift only on the 33MHz beating => I corrected the frequency on the generator and informed Nicolas Delerue.

=> now, I can try to lock the CFP to the RF frequency.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

after redoing the alignment of the CVBG, we got back the initial power in the FPC (87kW)

now, I checked the RF locking signals on the 2nd oscilloscope.
I get a strange ratio between the 33MHz beating and the 500MHz beating signals.
beat @ 33MHz ~ 40kHz !
beat @ 500MHz ~ 700Hz !

maybe the 33MHz generator frequency is not matching the 500MHz RF frequency ?
 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

amplifier power measurement before the compressor CVBG.
we used a mirror in between the amplifier output and the compressor + a 2-mirror periscope to match the powermeter height.

amp ratio (%)          power (W)

0                               0.7
10                             1.65
20                             13
30                             25
40                             37.7
50                             50.5
60                             62
70                             74
80                             86
90                             99
100                          110

we had an alarm @100% of amplifier ratio => the reason is not clear... maybe it's coming from a discrepency between some internal measurement and the expected value.
we checked the power after the alarm => still OK

conclusion, the amplifier seems to be OK... we need to redo the alignment of the compressor CVBG.
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

After the summer power shutdown, I restarted all the equipements and got quickly ~80kW for 33% amplifier ratio with CEP optimization and without Alignment optimization.

CEP motor position : -506µm

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning with Daniele, we are measuring the amplifier power just before the FP-cavity.
Casemate temperature @19.5°C

@0% : 205mW
@10%: 755mW
@20%: 7.44W
@30%: 14.3W
@33%:16.3W
@40% : 20.3W
@50% : 24W
@60% : 26W

=> there is a power issue !!!

the normal casemate temperature should be in between 21 and 22°C.
cf this post (https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/133) to get previous amplifier power.

=> it seems we need to redo the compressor CVBG alignment !
first, we will check the amplifier power before the compressor.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

after doing some alignment (walking procedure on the Y axis), and CEP optimization, I got 83kW for 33% on the laser amplifier with a coupling of ~60%

=> we have to check the input power after the amplifier.

I adjusted the FP and laser cavity motors to have a small 33MHz detuning with the RF reference (~10 Hz of beating @ 33MHz)

pb : I don't see the 500MHz beating signal => to be checked

during the motion of the FP-cavity motors, I observed a systematic delock when moving MOT.06 on P1z and no delock with MOT.03 on P4z when I move by 10 steps.
Kevin checked that both IcePap controller have the same configuration and then, the problem is maybe coming from the rust observed on the mechanic.
 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

we had to move the laser cavity motor to find the resonances and change a lot the CEP.

the CEP motor is at -524.1µm

we got ~75kW in the FP cavity without alignment but with CEP optimization.

the coupling (the cyan color) is ~ 62% !

=> we need to do some alignment

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I refilled the chiller and the stabilized temperature is @ 25°C

we started the 3rd stage of the Alphanov amplifier at 30% => PD_OUT is fluctuating around 1-1.4W => it's not related to the real output power !

the photodiode connected to the scope CH2 is around 210mV @ 50ohms

we clearly see some small peak on the transmission signal (scope CH1) => we need to optimize the laser cavity length and the CEP

Ronic Chiche wrote:

temperature in the casemate ~ 19.5°C stable

this morning, I measured the power directly at the output of the fiber coupler (through the output fiber), after the strecher : ~5mW
then, I connected the EOM used for the PDH technic : ~2.5mW
then, I connected the fiber of the EOM to the Alphanov amplifier input fiber.

LAL Alphnov software :
PD_IN           = 3.289mW
PD_PULSE   = 33.372MHz

=> nothing to do ! :-)))

I switched ON the preamplifier (3rd stage @ 0%) => PD_Preamp2 = 152.44mW

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Entry   20Hz oscillation in the locking between Laser and FP-cavity, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

this morning, we tried to find the origin of the 20Hz oscillation.

- we switched OFF the laser Smaract motors controller => no change

- then, we addionally disconnected the FP-cavity PZT cable from the Laselock (we put a charge of 1kohm) => no change

- then, we switched ON the laser Smaract motors controller and switched OFF the FP-cavity motors controllers => no change

in conclusion, we don't really know where this instabillity comes from.
the amplitude is roughly 1Vpp (when the oscillation is at its maximum) on the laser PZT <=> length oscillation of ~20nm pp

could it come :
- from the air cooling regulation with pressure variation ?
- from vibrations of the hexapod below the table ?
or is it from inside of the laser or FP cavities ?

see these posts for the first measurements on this issue: https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/257

    Reply   20Hz oscillation in the locking between Laser and FP-cavity, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

this afternoon, we did 2 tests to better understand this 20Hz oscillation:

- we locked the amplified laser directly to the 500MHz ring reference oscillator, without any intermediate locking to the FP-cavity => no change
the 20Hz oscillation is still present in the correction signal of the laser PZT.

- we switched OFF the controller of the hexapod => no change.

conclusion:
the 20Hz oscillation is coming from the laser cavity
or is coming from "outside" and could be measured, maybe at a higher level, with an external "noises & vibrations measurement system".

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, we tried to find the origin of the 20Hz oscillation.

- we switched OFF the laser Smaract motors controller => no change

- then, we addionally disconnected the FP-cavity PZT cable from the Laselock (we put a charge of 1kohm) => no change

- then, we switched ON the laser Smaract motors controller and switched OFF the FP-cavity motors controllers => no change

in conclusion, we don't really know where this instabillity comes from.
the amplitude is roughly 1Vpp (when the oscillation is at its maximum) on the laser PZT <=> length oscillation of ~20nm pp

could it come :
- from the air cooling regulation with pressure variation ?
- from vibrations of the hexapod below the table ?
or is it from inside of the laser or FP cavities ?

see these posts for the first measurements on this issue: https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/257

 

       Reply   20Hz oscillation in the locking between Laser and FP-cavity, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 20240208_133745.jpg20240208_140636.jpg

yesterday I did 2 tests to try to understand the origin of the 20Hz oscillation which is dominant in the remaining 10-20ps rms jitter between the transmitted pulses and the RF reference generator.

10ps rms jitter is equivalent to phase jitter dphi = 2*pi*f0*dt = 2mrad rms @ 33MHz or 30mrad rms @ 500MHz.

with V0 = 1Vpeak of beating signal amplitude, the equivalent rms beating voltage is dV = V0 * sin(dphi) ~ V0 * dphi = 2mV rms @ 33MHz or 30mV rms @ 500MHz

1) I did a beating between the internal photodiode of the laser with an external 33MHz oscillator (the photodiode is too slow to use higher harmonic).
the difficult part is to see the 2mV rms noise on a 2Vpp oscillating signal, so I locked the external 33MHz reference oscillator with the beating signal => see first plot.
there is no trace of 20Hz oscillation in the beating signal => the lock is too good and removed the oscillation ?

2) I did a beating between the photodiode in reflection of the FP-cavity (so the signal is not coming only from the oscillator but is going also through the Alphanov amplifier) with the 500MHz RF Ring generator.
I cannot the lock the generator anymore, so the measurement is done in open loop. I adjust the laser Frep with the motor to try to cancel the beating frequency => see 2nd plot
there is no trace of 20Hz oscillation in the beating signal => it is in contradiction with the previous post : "conclusion: the 20Hz oscillation is coming from the laser cavity" ?!?

maybe we need a more complex measurement scheme with the possibility to measure in the same time the 10-20ps rms jitter coming from the locked FP-cavity transmitted signal/500MHz Ring generator
AND the beating signal between the laser or amplifier with 500MHz local reference generator... to be done...

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this afternoon, we did 2 tests to better understand this 20Hz oscillation:

- we locked the amplified laser directly to the 500MHz ring reference oscillator, without any intermediate locking to the FP-cavity => no change
the 20Hz oscillation is still present in the correction signal of the laser PZT.

- we switched OFF the controller of the hexapod => no change.

conclusion:
the 20Hz oscillation is coming from the laser cavity
or is coming from "outside" and could be measured, maybe at a higher level, with an external "noises & vibrations measurement system".

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, we tried to find the origin of the 20Hz oscillation.

- we switched OFF the laser Smaract motors controller => no change

- then, we addionally disconnected the FP-cavity PZT cable from the Laselock (we put a charge of 1kohm) => no change

- then, we switched ON the laser Smaract motors controller and switched OFF the FP-cavity motors controllers => no change

in conclusion, we don't really know where this instabillity comes from.
the amplitude is roughly 1Vpp (when the oscillation is at its maximum) on the laser PZT <=> length oscillation of ~20nm pp

could it come :
- from the air cooling regulation with pressure variation ?
- from vibrations of the hexapod below the table ?
or is it from inside of the laser or FP cavities ?

see these posts for the first measurements on this issue: https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/257

 

 

          Reply   20Hz oscillation in the locking between Laser and FP-cavity, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

what does this 10ps phase jitter mean in term of cavity length variations ?

L = L0 + dL sin(2pi fm t) = L0 (1 + dL/L0 sin(2pi fm t))

F = c / L ~ F0 - F0² dL / c sin(2pi fm t) with F0 = c / L0

d/dt(phi) = 2pi F => phi = 2pi F0 t + F0² dL / (c fm) cos(2pi fm t) => dphi = F0² dL / (c fm)

dphi = 2pi F0 dt => dL = L0 * 2pi fm dt

dt rms = 10ps @ fm = 20Hz of modulation frequency <=> dL rms = 10 nm (L0 = 9m)

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

yesterday I did 2 tests to try to understand the origin of the 20Hz oscillation which is dominant in the remaining 10-20ps rms jitter between the transmitted pulses and the RF reference generator.

10ps rms jitter is equivalent to phase jitter dphi = 2*pi*f0*dt = 2mrad rms @ 33MHz or 30mrad rms @ 500MHz.

with V0 = 1Vpeak of beating signal amplitude, the equivalent rms beating voltage is dV = V0 * sin(dphi) ~ V0 * dphi = 2mV rms @ 33MHz or 30mV rms @ 500MHz

1) I did a beating between the internal photodiode of the laser with an external 33MHz oscillator (the photodiode is too slow to use higher harmonic).
the difficult part is to see the 2mV rms noise on a 2Vpp oscillating signal, so I locked the external 33MHz reference oscillator with the beating signal => see first plot.
there is no trace of 20Hz oscillation in the beating signal => the lock is too good and removed the oscillation ?

2) I did a beating between the photodiode in reflection of the FP-cavity (so the signal is not coming only from the oscillator but is going also through the Alphanov amplifier) with the 500MHz RF Ring generator.
I cannot the lock the generator anymore, so the measurement is done in open loop. I adjust the laser Frep with the motor to try to cancel the beating frequency => see 2nd plot
there is no trace of 20Hz oscillation in the beating signal => it is in contradiction with the previous post : "conclusion: the 20Hz oscillation is coming from the laser cavity" ?!?

maybe we need a more complex measurement scheme with the possibility to measure in the same time the 10-20ps rms jitter coming from the locked FP-cavity transmitted signal/500MHz Ring generator
AND the beating signal between the laser or amplifier with 500MHz local reference generator... to be done...

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this afternoon, we did 2 tests to better understand this 20Hz oscillation:

- we locked the amplified laser directly to the 500MHz ring reference oscillator, without any intermediate locking to the FP-cavity => no change
the 20Hz oscillation is still present in the correction signal of the laser PZT.

- we switched OFF the controller of the hexapod => no change.

conclusion:
the 20Hz oscillation is coming from the laser cavity
or is coming from "outside" and could be measured, maybe at a higher level, with an external "noises & vibrations measurement system".

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, we tried to find the origin of the 20Hz oscillation.

- we switched OFF the laser Smaract motors controller => no change

- then, we addionally disconnected the FP-cavity PZT cable from the Laselock (we put a charge of 1kohm) => no change

- then, we switched ON the laser Smaract motors controller and switched OFF the FP-cavity motors controllers => no change

in conclusion, we don't really know where this instabillity comes from.
the amplitude is roughly 1Vpp (when the oscillation is at its maximum) on the laser PZT <=> length oscillation of ~20nm pp

could it come :
- from the air cooling regulation with pressure variation ?
- from vibrations of the hexapod below the table ?
or is it from inside of the laser or FP cavities ?

see these posts for the first measurements on this issue: https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/257

 

 

 

             Reply   20Hz oscillation in the locking between Laser and FP-cavity, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

measure to be done next week to check the 20Hz noise on the laser amplifier signal:

- install a DET10 in reflection of the FP-cavity to get a high BW and measure the 500MHz harmonic.
- do the beating with the 500MHz Ring RF generator
- with the laser motor try to be close to the 500MHz Ring RF frequency => beating frequency below 1kHz
- send the beating signal to some RF spectrum analyzer to use its large dynamic range.

for example, with the Siglent RF spectrum analyzer, it is possible to detect easily a peak @ -96dBm <=> 3.5µV rms
so, one should be able to make the measurement @ 500MHz or even @ 33MHz even if the phase sensitivity is lower :

for example V0=100mV peak beating signal @ f0=33MHz should produce a 20Hz noise signal of:
dV ~ V0 * dphi = V0 * 2*pi*f0*dt = 200µV rms with jitter dt=10ps rms

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

what does this 10ps phase jitter mean in term of cavity length variations ?

L = L0 + dL sin(2pi fm t) = L0 (1 + dL/L0 sin(2pi fm t))

F = c / L ~ F0 - F0² dL / c sin(2pi fm t) with F0 = c / L0

d/dt(phi) = 2pi F => phi = 2pi F0 t + F0² dL / (c fm) cos(2pi fm t) => dphi = F0² dL / (c fm)

dphi = 2pi F0 dt => dL = L0 * 2pi fm dt

dt rms = 10ps @ fm = 20Hz of modulation frequency <=> dL rms = 10 nm (L0 = 9m)

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

yesterday I did 2 tests to try to understand the origin of the 20Hz oscillation which is dominant in the remaining 10-20ps rms jitter between the transmitted pulses and the RF reference generator.

10ps rms jitter is equivalent to phase jitter dphi = 2*pi*f0*dt = 2mrad rms @ 33MHz or 30mrad rms @ 500MHz.

with V0 = 1Vpeak of beating signal amplitude, the equivalent rms beating voltage is dV = V0 * sin(dphi) ~ V0 * dphi = 2mV rms @ 33MHz or 30mV rms @ 500MHz

1) I did a beating between the internal photodiode of the laser with an external 33MHz oscillator (the photodiode is too slow to use higher harmonic).
the difficult part is to see the 2mV rms noise on a 2Vpp oscillating signal, so I locked the external 33MHz reference oscillator with the beating signal => see first plot.
there is no trace of 20Hz oscillation in the beating signal => the lock is too good and removed the oscillation ?

2) I did a beating between the photodiode in reflection of the FP-cavity (so the signal is not coming only from the oscillator but is going also through the Alphanov amplifier) with the 500MHz RF Ring generator.
I cannot the lock the generator anymore, so the measurement is done in open loop. I adjust the laser Frep with the motor to try to cancel the beating frequency => see 2nd plot
there is no trace of 20Hz oscillation in the beating signal => it is in contradiction with the previous post : "conclusion: the 20Hz oscillation is coming from the laser cavity" ?!?

maybe we need a more complex measurement scheme with the possibility to measure in the same time the 10-20ps rms jitter coming from the locked FP-cavity transmitted signal/500MHz Ring generator
AND the beating signal between the laser or amplifier with 500MHz local reference generator... to be done...

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this afternoon, we did 2 tests to better understand this 20Hz oscillation:

- we locked the amplified laser directly to the 500MHz ring reference oscillator, without any intermediate locking to the FP-cavity => no change
the 20Hz oscillation is still present in the correction signal of the laser PZT.

- we switched OFF the controller of the hexapod => no change.

conclusion:
the 20Hz oscillation is coming from the laser cavity
or is coming from "outside" and could be measured, maybe at a higher level, with an external "noises & vibrations measurement system".

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, we tried to find the origin of the 20Hz oscillation.

- we switched OFF the laser Smaract motors controller => no change

- then, we addionally disconnected the FP-cavity PZT cable from the Laselock (we put a charge of 1kohm) => no change

- then, we switched ON the laser Smaract motors controller and switched OFF the FP-cavity motors controllers => no change

in conclusion, we don't really know where this instabillity comes from.
the amplitude is roughly 1Vpp (when the oscillation is at its maximum) on the laser PZT <=> length oscillation of ~20nm pp

could it come :
- from the air cooling regulation with pressure variation ?
- from vibrations of the hexapod below the table ?
or is it from inside of the laser or FP cavities ?

see these posts for the first measurements on this issue: https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/257

 

 

 

 

                Reply   20Hz oscillation in the locking between Laser and FP-cavity, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

could it be possible this 20Hz oscillations comes from anouncements in the bunker, puting the housing+table in vibration ?
(there are such anouncements during restricted access) => to be asked to Harold

Ronic Chiche wrote:

measure to be done next week to check the 20Hz noise on the laser amplifier signal:

- install a DET10 in reflection of the FP-cavity to get a high BW and measure the 500MHz harmonic.
- do the beating with the 500MHz Ring RF generator
- with the laser motor try to be close to the 500MHz Ring RF frequency => beating frequency below 1kHz
- send the beating signal to some RF spectrum analyzer to use its large dynamic range.

for example, with the Siglent RF spectrum analyzer, it is possible to detect easily a peak @ -96dBm <=> 3.5µV rms
so, one should be able to make the measurement @ 500MHz or even @ 33MHz even if the phase sensitivity is lower :

for example V0=100mV peak beating signal @ f0=33MHz should produce a 20Hz noise signal of:
dV ~ V0 * dphi = V0 * 2*pi*f0*dt = 200µV rms with jitter dt=10ps rms

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

what does this 10ps phase jitter mean in term of cavity length variations ?

L = L0 + dL sin(2pi fm t) = L0 (1 + dL/L0 sin(2pi fm t))

F = c / L ~ F0 - F0² dL / c sin(2pi fm t) with F0 = c / L0

d/dt(phi) = 2pi F => phi = 2pi F0 t + F0² dL / (c fm) cos(2pi fm t) => dphi = F0² dL / (c fm)

dphi = 2pi F0 dt => dL = L0 * 2pi fm dt

dt rms = 10ps @ fm = 20Hz of modulation frequency <=> dL rms = 10 nm (L0 = 9m)

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

yesterday I did 2 tests to try to understand the origin of the 20Hz oscillation which is dominant in the remaining 10-20ps rms jitter between the transmitted pulses and the RF reference generator.

10ps rms jitter is equivalent to phase jitter dphi = 2*pi*f0*dt = 2mrad rms @ 33MHz or 30mrad rms @ 500MHz.

with V0 = 1Vpeak of beating signal amplitude, the equivalent rms beating voltage is dV = V0 * sin(dphi) ~ V0 * dphi = 2mV rms @ 33MHz or 30mV rms @ 500MHz

1) I did a beating between the internal photodiode of the laser with an external 33MHz oscillator (the photodiode is too slow to use higher harmonic).
the difficult part is to see the 2mV rms noise on a 2Vpp oscillating signal, so I locked the external 33MHz reference oscillator with the beating signal => see first plot.
there is no trace of 20Hz oscillation in the beating signal => the lock is too good and removed the oscillation ?

2) I did a beating between the photodiode in reflection of the FP-cavity (so the signal is not coming only from the oscillator but is going also through the Alphanov amplifier) with the 500MHz RF Ring generator.
I cannot the lock the generator anymore, so the measurement is done in open loop. I adjust the laser Frep with the motor to try to cancel the beating frequency => see 2nd plot
there is no trace of 20Hz oscillation in the beating signal => it is in contradiction with the previous post : "conclusion: the 20Hz oscillation is coming from the laser cavity" ?!?

maybe we need a more complex measurement scheme with the possibility to measure in the same time the 10-20ps rms jitter coming from the locked FP-cavity transmitted signal/500MHz Ring generator
AND the beating signal between the laser or amplifier with 500MHz local reference generator... to be done...

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this afternoon, we did 2 tests to better understand this 20Hz oscillation:

- we locked the amplified laser directly to the 500MHz ring reference oscillator, without any intermediate locking to the FP-cavity => no change
the 20Hz oscillation is still present in the correction signal of the laser PZT.

- we switched OFF the controller of the hexapod => no change.

conclusion:
the 20Hz oscillation is coming from the laser cavity
or is coming from "outside" and could be measured, maybe at a higher level, with an external "noises & vibrations measurement system".

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, we tried to find the origin of the 20Hz oscillation.

- we switched OFF the laser Smaract motors controller => no change

- then, we addionally disconnected the FP-cavity PZT cable from the Laselock (we put a charge of 1kohm) => no change

- then, we switched ON the laser Smaract motors controller and switched OFF the FP-cavity motors controllers => no change

in conclusion, we don't really know where this instabillity comes from.
the amplitude is roughly 1Vpp (when the oscillation is at its maximum) on the laser PZT <=> length oscillation of ~20nm pp

could it come :
- from the air cooling regulation with pressure variation ?
- from vibrations of the hexapod below the table ?
or is it from inside of the laser or FP cavities ?

see these posts for the first measurements on this issue: https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/257

 

 

 

 

 

Entry   fixing CVBG issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

the CVBG of the compressor module seems to have an issue.

here is the plan of the work :

1) faire des résonances avec la CFP
2) ajuster les iris d'alignement du faisceau de l'ampli pour être sur de ne pas perdre la référence de l'axe de la CFP

3) installer des wedges haute puissance à proximité du compresseur + beam profiler
4) verifier la forme du faisceau au beam profiler en fonction de la puissance de l'ampli

5) ouvrir le boîtier du compresseur
6) prendre des images du boîtier à la caméra thermique en fonction de la puissance

7) éventuellement shunter le 2e CVBG avec un D shape et regarder le mode et caractéristique en sortie d'ampli.
8) ajuster l'injection dans le premier CVBG ou le second ou les deux en fonctions des résultats précédent

here are some useful logbook posts:

D-shape + images thermiques du compresseur qui peuvent servir de référence :

https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/147

https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/150

post des images du faisceau en fonction de la puissance de l'ampli :

https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/135 (et autres posts du fil)

https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/195 (et autres posts du fil)

    Reply   fixing CVBG issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 12x

1) this morning, I aligned to CFP to get back 82kW in the cavity for 33% of amplifier ratio.
thus, we can ajust the iris positions on the optical table to fix the CFP optical path before touching the CVBG.

2) we aligned the 5 iris. all of them were misaligned by 1-2mm, principaly vertically (maybe because we had to change the CFP frequency some time ago to match the new RF frequency?).

3) we opened the compressor box and found out the beam on the last mirror was really on the border => we have to move it.

=> we recorded several beam profiles at 20-70% of amplifier ratio (see images before realignement)
above 50% of amplifier ratio, the beam is deformed.

=> we realigned the 2 last mirrors of the compressor and compensate the axis displacement with the 2 inches injection mirrors at the output of the compressor to get back the telescope axis.
amplifier ratio (%)                 power after compressor (W)
0                                                 0.286
10                                               0.91
20                                               8.6
30                                              16.7
40                                              25.5
50                                              34.5
60                                              42.5
70                                              50.0
80                                              57.0
90                                              64.0
100                                            70.0

small power drop for ratio < 40% compared to previous measurements : https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/133

the power is back => OK ! :-)))

we took some images with the beam profiler at high power after the realignement (see images after realignement)

tomorrow, we have to realign the amplifier beam axis to the CFP axis.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

the CVBG of the compressor module seems to have an issue.

here is the plan of the work :

1) faire des résonances avec la CFP
2) ajuster les iris d'alignement du faisceau de l'ampli pour être sur de ne pas perdre la référence de l'axe de la CFP

3) installer des wedges haute puissance à proximité du compresseur + beam profiler
4) verifier la forme du faisceau au beam profiler en fonction de la puissance de l'ampli

5) ouvrir le boîtier du compresseur
6) prendre des images du boîtier à la caméra thermique en fonction de la puissance

7) éventuellement shunter le 2e CVBG avec un D shape et regarder le mode et caractéristique en sortie d'ampli.
8) ajuster l'injection dans le premier CVBG ou le second ou les deux en fonctions des résultats précédent

here are some useful logbook posts:

D-shape + images thermiques du compresseur qui peuvent servir de référence :

https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/147

https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/150

post des images du faisceau en fonction de la puissance de l'ampli :

https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/135 (et autres posts du fil)

https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/195 (et autres posts du fil)

 

       Reply   fixing CVBG issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 20240906_151100.jpg

this morning with Daniele, we realigned the amplifier beam axis on the iris position.
it was pretty fast an easy => we got rapidely some resonance and we locked back to 87kW @33% amp ratio after tuning CEP and alignment.

we tried to play on the L-shape but we didn't a clear effect.

we also played on the 1/2 and 1/4 waveplates to tune the polarization.
we see very clearly the locked reflected signal changing without almost changing the transmission !

Aurélien suggested to slightly focusing the beam in the DET36 photodiode to have a better estimation of the coupling.
presently, the beam is clearly larger than the DET36 photodiode area which artificially increases the measured coupling.
(I cannot use a DET100 because I need 500MHz BW to get some RF signal for beating with the 500MHz reference signal).

I added a +75mm lens in front of the DET36 reflection signal photodiode => now, the beam is rougly 1-2mm diameter, centered on the DET36.
when I optimize the alignment and the CEP, I get 86-87kW in the CFP and 45% coupling => cf plot

end of the CVBG issue posts.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

1) this morning, I aligned to CFP to get back 82kW in the cavity for 33% of amplifier ratio.
thus, we can ajust the iris positions on the optical table to fix the CFP optical path before touching the CVBG.

2) we aligned the 5 iris. all of them were misaligned by 1-2mm, principaly vertically (maybe because we had to change the CFP frequency some time ago to match the new RF frequency?).

3) we opened the compressor box and found out the beam on the last mirror was really on the border => we have to move it.

=> we recorded several beam profiles at 20-70% of amplifier ratio (see images before realignement)
above 50% of amplifier ratio, the beam is deformed.

=> we realigned the 2 last mirrors of the compressor and compensate the axis displacement with the 2 inches injection mirrors at the output of the compressor to get back the telescope axis.
amplifier ratio (%)                 power after compressor (W)
0                                                 0.286
10                                               0.91
20                                               8.6
30                                              16.7
40                                              25.5
50                                              34.5
60                                              42.5
70                                              50.0
80                                              57.0
90                                              64.0
100                                            70.0

the power is back => OK ! :-)))

we took some images with the beam profiler at high power after the realignement (see images after realignement)

tomorrow, we have to realign the amplifier beam axis to the CFP axis.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

the CVBG of the compressor module seems to have an issue.

here is the plan of the work :

1) faire des résonances avec la CFP
2) ajuster les iris d'alignement du faisceau de l'ampli pour être sur de ne pas perdre la référence de l'axe de la CFP

3) installer des wedges haute puissance à proximité du compresseur + beam profiler
4) verifier la forme du faisceau au beam profiler en fonction de la puissance de l'ampli

5) ouvrir le boîtier du compresseur
6) prendre des images du boîtier à la caméra thermique en fonction de la puissance

7) éventuellement shunter le 2e CVBG avec un D shape et regarder le mode et caractéristique en sortie d'ampli.
8) ajuster l'injection dans le premier CVBG ou le second ou les deux en fonctions des résultats précédent

here are some useful logbook posts:

D-shape + images thermiques du compresseur qui peuvent servir de référence :

https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/147

https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/150

post des images du faisceau en fonction de la puissance de l'ampli :

https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/135 (et autres posts du fil)

https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/195 (et autres posts du fil)

 

 

Entry   Alphanov amplifier issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

on Monday morning 7/11, we tried to restart the Alphanov amplifier which was not turned on since end of april 2022, but it didn't start.

we did a standard "turn ON" procedure :
- check the safety button on the front panel (which has to be released).
- switch on the black switch on the rear panel.
- push the green button on the rear panel
- turn on the key on the front panel
- push the start button on the front panel

normally after switching on the black switch on the rear panel, a light shines in between the red and green big button on the read panel.
but nothing in that case. we just ear a weak "rotating fan" noise coming from the inside of the rack.

normally, after pushing the green button on the rear panel, the start button on the front panel comes to blue.
but nothing in that case.

normally, after pushing the green button on the rear panel and turning the key, the start button on the front panel comes to red.
but nothing in that case.

we tried anyway to connect the amplifier with a computer, just in case of...
but the Alphanov software is not able to connect to the amplifier.

One possible issue could be a dead fuse inside the black ON/OFF switch on the rear panel => one has to check it !

    Reply   Alphanov amplifier issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

I just tested the fuse inside the black ON/OFF switch on the rear panel => it is OK ! :-(

Ronic Chiche wrote:

on Monday morning 7/11, we tried to restart the Alphanov amplifier which was not turned on since end of april 2022, but it didn't start.

we did a standard "turn ON" procedure :
- check the safety button on the front panel (which has to be released).
- switch on the black switch on the rear panel.
- push the green button on the rear panel
- turn on the key on the front panel
- push the start button on the front panel

normally after switching on the black switch on the rear panel, a light shines in between the red and green big button on the read panel.
but nothing in that case. we just ear a weak "rotating fan" noise coming from the inside of the rack.

normally, after pushing the green button on the rear panel, the start button on the front panel comes to blue.
but nothing in that case.

normally, after pushing the green button on the rear panel and turning the key, the start button on the front panel comes to red.
but nothing in that case.

we tried anyway to connect the amplifier with a computer, just in case of...
but the Alphanov software is not able to connect to the amplifier.

One possible issue could be a dead fuse inside the black ON/OFF switch on the rear panel => one has to check it !

 

       Reply   Alphanov amplifier issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

The laser amplifier controller has been sent yesterday and received today by Alphannov.

they should do the assessment quickly...

Ronic Chiche w

I just tested the fuse inside the black ON/OFF switch on the rear panel => it is OK ! :-(

Ronic Chiche wrote:

on Monday morning 7/11, we tried to restart the Alphanov amplifier which was not turned on since end of april 2022, but it didn't start.

we did a standard "turn ON" procedure :
- check the safety button on the front panel (which has to be released).
- switch on the black switch on the rear panel.
- push the green button on the rear panel
- turn on the key on the front panel
- push the start button on the front panel

normally after switching on the black switch on the rear panel, a light shines in between the red and green big button on the read panel.
but nothing in that case. we just ear a weak "rotating fan" noise coming from the inside of the rack.

normally, after pushing the green button on the rear panel, the start button on the front panel comes to blue.
but nothing in that case.

normally, after pushing the green button on the rear panel and turning the key, the start button on the front panel comes to red.
but nothing in that case.

we tried anyway to connect the amplifier with a computer, just in case of...
but the Alphanov software is not able to connect to the amplifier.

One possible issue could be a dead fuse inside the black ON/OFF switch on the rear panel => one has to check it !

 

 

          Reply   Alphanov amplifier issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics Sécurité_et_CC_ampli_Alphanov.pdf

Today, I did a Teams meeting with Guillaume.
He didn't see any problem with the controller.
normally, the controller will be shipped to the lab tomorrow.

I attach an updated schematic of the internal electronics boards and how they are connected to the PSS.

1- when the black switch button is ON, only the Arduino board, which deals with the software in ON.
2- then, one needs to switch ON the big green button => an internal relay allows the power supply to reach the LAL safety board + Central board + MMD boards but these boards are not powered !
3- then, one needs to turn the key ON => the software can access the Arduino board
4- then, start the software => the white LED of the big green button is ON => all the boards are now powered
depending on the safety signals connected to the controller, it will be possible or not to start the diode supplies (with MMD boards).
the 24V DC coming from an external power supply in replacement of the PSS 24V supply is not mandatory to access the software:
we will only see some buttons (Relai 1 and 2 in the software) to be RED (OFF).
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

The laser amplifier controller has been sent yesterday and received today by Alphannov.

they should do the assessment quickly...

Ronic Chiche w

I just tested the fuse inside the black ON/OFF switch on the rear panel => it is OK ! :-(

Ronic Chiche wrote:

on Monday morning 7/11, we tried to restart the Alphanov amplifier which was not turned on since end of april 2022, but it didn't start.

we did a standard "turn ON" procedure :
- check the safety button on the front panel (which has to be released).
- switch on the black switch on the rear panel.
- push the green button on the rear panel
- turn on the key on the front panel
- push the start button on the front panel

normally after switching on the black switch on the rear panel, a light shines in between the red and green big button on the read panel.
but nothing in that case. we just ear a weak "rotating fan" noise coming from the inside of the rack.

normally, after pushing the green button on the rear panel, the start button on the front panel comes to blue.
but nothing in that case.

normally, after pushing the green button on the rear panel and turning the key, the start button on the front panel comes to red.
but nothing in that case.

we tried anyway to connect the amplifier with a computer, just in case of...
but the Alphanov software is not able to connect to the amplifier.

One possible issue could be a dead fuse inside the black ON/OFF switch on the rear panel => one has to check it !

 

 

 

             Reply   Alphanov amplifier issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

Yesterday, we received the controller back from Alphanov
and I tested it immediately in the optical room.
if the software is properly talking to the controller, everything works normally.
then, one just have to remember that is mandatory to have the software properly connected to let the controller start electrically (power supply activated on the main boards)

Today, I installed it in the casemate with all the connections to the laser input, output, laser head, safety connections, etc...
and it works properly.

- The power in the fiber from the strecher is at 6.3mW.
the software reads 5.3mW but after a long fiber... then it is OK.
=> one strange thing : it detects 100MHz instead of 33MHz => to be reported to Alphanov !

- Amplifier output power measured after 2 mirrors :
0%                 =>               230 mW
10%               =>               880 mW
20%               =>               8.8W
30%               =>               17W

which are the numbers we had before.... then we are back to normal conditions to continue the commissioning.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Today, I did a Teams meeting with Guillaume.
He didn't see any problem with the controller.
normally, the controller will be shipped to the lab tomorrow.

I attach an updated schematic of the internal electronics boards and how they are connected to the PSS.

1- when the black switch button is ON, only the Arduino board, which deals with the software in ON.
2- then, one needs to switch ON the big green button => an internal relay allows the power supply to reach the LAL safety board + Central board + MMD boards but these boards are not powered !
3- then, one needs to turn the key ON => the software can access the Arduino board
4- then, start the software => the white LED of the big green button is ON => all the boards are now powered
depending on the safety signals connected to the controller, it will be possible or not to start the diode supplies (with MMD boards).
the 24V DC coming from an external power supply in replacement of the PSS 24V supply is not mandatory to access the software:
we will only see some buttons (Relai 1 and 2 in the software) to be RED (OFF).
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

The laser amplifier controller has been sent yesterday and received today by Alphannov.

they should do the assessment quickly...

Ronic Chiche w

I just tested the fuse inside the black ON/OFF switch on the rear panel => it is OK ! :-(

Ronic Chiche wrote:

on Monday morning 7/11, we tried to restart the Alphanov amplifier which was not turned on since end of april 2022, but it didn't start.

we did a standard "turn ON" procedure :
- check the safety button on the front panel (which has to be released).
- switch on the black switch on the rear panel.
- push the green button on the rear panel
- turn on the key on the front panel
- push the start button on the front panel

normally after switching on the black switch on the rear panel, a light shines in between the red and green big button on the read panel.
but nothing in that case. we just ear a weak "rotating fan" noise coming from the inside of the rack.

normally, after pushing the green button on the rear panel, the start button on the front panel comes to blue.
but nothing in that case.

normally, after pushing the green button on the rear panel and turning the key, the start button on the front panel comes to red.
but nothing in that case.

we tried anyway to connect the amplifier with a computer, just in case of...
but the Alphanov software is not able to connect to the amplifier.

One possible issue could be a dead fuse inside the black ON/OFF switch on the rear panel => one has to check it !

 

 

 

 

                Reply   Alphanov amplifier issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

FYI : to access special menus on the Alphanov software,

login : "Administrator"
pwd : no password

to modify parameters in these special menus :

login : "Alphanov"
pwd : "AE32HF56J"

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Yesterday, we received the controller back from Alphanov
and I tested it immediately in the optical room.
if the software is properly talking to the controller, everything works normally.
then, one just have to remember that is mandatory to have the software properly connected to let the controller start electrically (power supply activated on the main boards)

Today, I installed it in the casemate with all the connections to the laser input, output, laser head, safety connections, etc...
and it works properly.

- The power in the fiber from the strecher is at 6.3mW.
the software reads 5.3mW but after a long fiber... then it is OK.
=> one strange thing : it detects 100MHz instead of 33MHz => to be reported to Alphanov !

- Amplifier output power measured after 2 mirrors :
0%                 =>               230 mW
10%               =>               880 mW
20%               =>               8.8W
30%               =>               17W

which are the numbers we had before.... then we are back to normal conditions to continue the commissioning.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Today, I did a Teams meeting with Guillaume.
He didn't see any problem with the controller.
normally, the controller will be shipped to the lab tomorrow.

I attach an updated schematic of the internal electronics boards and how they are connected to the PSS.

1- when the black switch button is ON, only the Arduino board, which deals with the software in ON.
2- then, one needs to switch ON the big green button => an internal relay allows the power supply to reach the LAL safety board + Central board + MMD boards but these boards are not powered !
3- then, one needs to turn the key ON => the software can access the Arduino board
4- then, start the software => the white LED of the big green button is ON => all the boards are now powered
depending on the safety signals connected to the controller, it will be possible or not to start the diode supplies (with MMD boards).
the 24V DC coming from an external power supply in replacement of the PSS 24V supply is not mandatory to access the software:
we will only see some buttons (Relai 1 and 2 in the software) to be RED (OFF).
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

The laser amplifier controller has been sent yesterday and received today by Alphannov.

they should do the assessment quickly...

Ronic Chiche w

I just tested the fuse inside the black ON/OFF switch on the rear panel => it is OK ! :-(

Ronic Chiche wrote:

on Monday morning 7/11, we tried to restart the Alphanov amplifier which was not turned on since end of april 2022, but it didn't start.

we did a standard "turn ON" procedure :
- check the safety button on the front panel (which has to be released).
- switch on the black switch on the rear panel.
- push the green button on the rear panel
- turn on the key on the front panel
- push the start button on the front panel

normally after switching on the black switch on the rear panel, a light shines in between the red and green big button on the read panel.
but nothing in that case. we just ear a weak "rotating fan" noise coming from the inside of the rack.

normally, after pushing the green button on the rear panel, the start button on the front panel comes to blue.
but nothing in that case.

normally, after pushing the green button on the rear panel and turning the key, the start button on the front panel comes to red.
but nothing in that case.

we tried anyway to connect the amplifier with a computer, just in case of...
but the Alphanov software is not able to connect to the amplifier.

One possible issue could be a dead fuse inside the black ON/OFF switch on the rear panel => one has to check it !

 

 

 

 

 

                   Reply   Alphanov amplifier issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

the present situation is :

Guillaume asked me to disconnect the "Laser head" cable from the pump diode module, installed on the optical table.
on the pump diode module, the connector has several small pins and 3 larges pins : A1, A2, A3.
if the diode of the preamplifier (not the ones of the last stage) is alive, the impedance between A2 and A3 should be around 5 ohms and not HiZ.

I checked several days ago the impedance between all these 3 pins to avoid any error on the schematics.
the impedance is always HiZ.
then, Guillaume thinks the diode is dead.

we are waiting for further tests or procedure.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

FYI : to access special menus on the Alphanov software,

login : "Administrator"
pwd : no password

to modify parameters in these special menus :

login : "Alphanov"
pwd : "AE32HF56J"

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Yesterday, we received the controller back from Alphanov
and I tested it immediately in the optical room.
if the software is properly talking to the controller, everything works normally.
then, one just have to remember that is mandatory to have the software properly connected to let the controller start electrically (power supply activated on the main boards)

Today, I installed it in the casemate with all the connections to the laser input, output, laser head, safety connections, etc...
and it works properly.

- The power in the fiber from the strecher is at 6.3mW.
the software reads 5.3mW but after a long fiber... then it is OK.
=> one strange thing : it detects 100MHz instead of 33MHz => to be reported to Alphanov !

- Amplifier output power measured after 2 mirrors :
0%                 =>               230 mW
10%               =>               880 mW
20%               =>               8.8W
30%               =>               17W

which are the numbers we had before.... then we are back to normal conditions to continue the commissioning.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Today, I did a Teams meeting with Guillaume.
He didn't see any problem with the controller.
normally, the controller will be shipped to the lab tomorrow.

I attach an updated schematic of the internal electronics boards and how they are connected to the PSS.

1- when the black switch button is ON, only the Arduino board, which deals with the software in ON.
2- then, one needs to switch ON the big green button => an internal relay allows the power supply to reach the LAL safety board + Central board + MMD boards but these boards are not powered !
3- then, one needs to turn the key ON => the software can access the Arduino board
4- then, start the software => the white LED of the big green button is ON => all the boards are now powered
depending on the safety signals connected to the controller, it will be possible or not to start the diode supplies (with MMD boards).
the 24V DC coming from an external power supply in replacement of the PSS 24V supply is not mandatory to access the software:
we will only see some buttons (Relai 1 and 2 in the software) to be RED (OFF).
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

The laser amplifier controller has been sent yesterday and received today by Alphannov.

they should do the assessment quickly...

Ronic Chiche w

I just tested the fuse inside the black ON/OFF switch on the rear panel => it is OK ! :-(

Ronic Chiche wrote:

on Monday morning 7/11, we tried to restart the Alphanov amplifier which was not turned on since end of april 2022, but it didn't start.

we did a standard "turn ON" procedure :
- check the safety button on the front panel (which has to be released).
- switch on the black switch on the rear panel.
- push the green button on the rear panel
- turn on the key on the front panel
- push the start button on the front panel

normally after switching on the black switch on the rear panel, a light shines in between the red and green big button on the read panel.
but nothing in that case. we just ear a weak "rotating fan" noise coming from the inside of the rack.

normally, after pushing the green button on the rear panel, the start button on the front panel comes to blue.
but nothing in that case.

normally, after pushing the green button on the rear panel and turning the key, the start button on the front panel comes to red.
but nothing in that case.

we tried anyway to connect the amplifier with a computer, just in case of...
but the Alphanov software is not able to connect to the amplifier.

One possible issue could be a dead fuse inside the black ON/OFF switch on the rear panel => one has to check it !

 

 

 

 

 

 

                      Reply   Alphanov amplifier issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

Guillaume and Julien Bour from Alphanov will come on wednesday 24/07 to have a first look and check the amplifier.

to prepare their intervention, I tested this morning the OneFive oscillator : it's still working at 33MHz.
and we have ~5mW in the LAL software without the EOM.

so, we are in "standard" conditions.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

the present situation is :

Guillaume asked me to disconnect the "Laser head" cable from the pump diode module, installed on the optical table.
on the pump diode module, the connector has several small pins and 3 larges pins : A1, A2, A3.
if the diode of the preamplifier (not the ones of the last stage) is alive, the impedance between A2 and A3 should be around 5 ohms and not HiZ.

I checked several days ago the impedance between all these 3 pins to avoid any error on the schematics.
the impedance is always HiZ.
then, Guillaume thinks the diode is dead.

we are waiting for further tests or procedure.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

FYI : to access special menus on the Alphanov software,

login : "Administrator"
pwd : no password

to modify parameters in these special menus :

login : "Alphanov"
pwd : "AE32HF56J"

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Yesterday, we received the controller back from Alphanov
and I tested it immediately in the optical room.
if the software is properly talking to the controller, everything works normally.
then, one just have to remember that is mandatory to have the software properly connected to let the controller start electrically (power supply activated on the main boards)

Today, I installed it in the casemate with all the connections to the laser input, output, laser head, safety connections, etc...
and it works properly.

- The power in the fiber from the strecher is at 6.3mW.
the software reads 5.3mW but after a long fiber... then it is OK.
=> one strange thing : it detects 100MHz instead of 33MHz => to be reported to Alphanov !

- Amplifier output power measured after 2 mirrors :
0%                 =>               230 mW
10%               =>               880 mW
20%               =>               8.8W
30%               =>               17W

which are the numbers we had before.... then we are back to normal conditions to continue the commissioning.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Today, I did a Teams meeting with Guillaume.
He didn't see any problem with the controller.
normally, the controller will be shipped to the lab tomorrow.

I attach an updated schematic of the internal electronics boards and how they are connected to the PSS.

1- when the black switch button is ON, only the Arduino board, which deals with the software in ON.
2- then, one needs to switch ON the big green button => an internal relay allows the power supply to reach the LAL safety board + Central board + MMD boards but these boards are not powered !
3- then, one needs to turn the key ON => the software can access the Arduino board
4- then, start the software => the white LED of the big green button is ON => all the boards are now powered
depending on the safety signals connected to the controller, it will be possible or not to start the diode supplies (with MMD boards).
the 24V DC coming from an external power supply in replacement of the PSS 24V supply is not mandatory to access the software:
we will only see some buttons (Relai 1 and 2 in the software) to be RED (OFF).
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

The laser amplifier controller has been sent yesterday and received today by Alphannov.

they should do the assessment quickly...

Ronic Chiche w

I just tested the fuse inside the black ON/OFF switch on the rear panel => it is OK ! :-(

Ronic Chiche wrote:

on Monday morning 7/11, we tried to restart the Alphanov amplifier which was not turned on since end of april 2022, but it didn't start.

we did a standard "turn ON" procedure :
- check the safety button on the front panel (which has to be released).
- switch on the black switch on the rear panel.
- push the green button on the rear panel
- turn on the key on the front panel
- push the start button on the front panel

normally after switching on the black switch on the rear panel, a light shines in between the red and green big button on the read panel.
but nothing in that case. we just ear a weak "rotating fan" noise coming from the inside of the rack.

normally, after pushing the green button on the rear panel, the start button on the front panel comes to blue.
but nothing in that case.

normally, after pushing the green button on the rear panel and turning the key, the start button on the front panel comes to red.
but nothing in that case.

we tried anyway to connect the amplifier with a computer, just in case of...
but the Alphanov software is not able to connect to the amplifier.

One possible issue could be a dead fuse inside the black ON/OFF switch on the rear panel => one has to check it !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                         Reply   Alphanov amplifier issue, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics connecteur_laser_head_sur_module_pompes_ampli.jpgconnecteur_laser_head_sur_chassis_ampli.jpg

picture of the connectors used to carry signals between the amplifier pump module and the rack under the table.
DB13W3 standard has been used to carry high current on the 3 dedicated pins:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB13W3

the connectors are male types on both sides of the cable, and then female on the pump module and rack : see the 2 pictures.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Guillaume and Julien Bour from Alphanov will come on wednesday 24/07 to have a first look and check the amplifier.

to prepare their intervention, I tested this morning the OneFive oscillator : it's still working at 33MHz.
and we have ~5mW in the LAL software without the EOM.

so, we are in "standard" conditions.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

the present situation is :

Guillaume asked me to disconnect the "Laser head" cable from the pump diode module, installed on the optical table.
on the pump diode module, the connector has several small pins and 3 larges pins : A1, A2, A3.
if the diode of the preamplifier (not the ones of the last stage) is alive, the impedance between A2 and A3 should be around 5 ohms and not HiZ.

I checked several days ago the impedance between all these 3 pins to avoid any error on the schematics.
the impedance is always HiZ.
then, Guillaume thinks the diode is dead.

we are waiting for further tests or procedure.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

FYI : to access special menus on the Alphanov software,

login : "Administrator"
pwd : no password

to modify parameters in these special menus :

login : "Alphanov"
pwd : "AE32HF56J"

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Yesterday, we received the controller back from Alphanov
and I tested it immediately in the optical room.
if the software is properly talking to the controller, everything works normally.
then, one just have to remember that is mandatory to have the software properly connected to let the controller start electrically (power supply activated on the main boards)

Today, I installed it in the casemate with all the connections to the laser input, output, laser head, safety connections, etc...
and it works properly.

- The power in the fiber from the strecher is at 6.3mW.
the software reads 5.3mW but after a long fiber... then it is OK.
=> one strange thing : it detects 100MHz instead of 33MHz => to be reported to Alphanov !

- Amplifier output power measured after 2 mirrors :
0%                 =>               230 mW
10%               =>               880 mW
20%               =>               8.8W
30%               =>               17W

which are the numbers we had before.... then we are back to normal conditions to continue the commissioning.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Today, I did a Teams meeting with Guillaume.
He didn't see any problem with the controller.
normally, the controller will be shipped to the lab tomorrow.

I attach an updated schematic of the internal electronics boards and how they are connected to the PSS.

1- when the black switch button is ON, only the Arduino board, which deals with the software in ON.
2- then, one needs to switch ON the big green button => an internal relay allows the power supply to reach the LAL safety board + Central board + MMD boards but these boards are not powered !
3- then, one needs to turn the key ON => the software can access the Arduino board
4- then, start the software => the white LED of the big green button is ON => all the boards are now powered
depending on the safety signals connected to the controller, it will be possible or not to start the diode supplies (with MMD boards).
the 24V DC coming from an external power supply in replacement of the PSS 24V supply is not mandatory to access the software:
we will only see some buttons (Relai 1 and 2 in the software) to be RED (OFF).
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

The laser amplifier controller has been sent yesterday and received today by Alphannov.

they should do the assessment quickly...

Ronic Chiche w

I just tested the fuse inside the black ON/OFF switch on the rear panel => it is OK ! :-(

Ronic Chiche wrote:

on Monday morning 7/11, we tried to restart the Alphanov amplifier which was not turned on since end of april 2022, but it didn't start.

we did a standard "turn ON" procedure :
- check the safety button on the front panel (which has to be released).
- switch on the black switch on the rear panel.
- push the green button on the rear panel
- turn on the key on the front panel
- push the start button on the front panel

normally after switching on the black switch on the rear panel, a light shines in between the red and green big button on the read panel.
but nothing in that case. we just ear a weak "rotating fan" noise coming from the inside of the rack.

normally, after pushing the green button on the rear panel, the start button on the front panel comes to blue.
but nothing in that case.

normally, after pushing the green button on the rear panel and turning the key, the start button on the front panel comes to red.
but nothing in that case.

we tried anyway to connect the amplifier with a computer, just in case of...
but the Alphanov software is not able to connect to the amplifier.

One possible issue could be a dead fuse inside the black ON/OFF switch on the rear panel => one has to check it !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Entry   New password for login on the ThomX computer, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about software 

the previous password has expired.

the new access from the computer :
login : .\$jehanno
pwd : ThomX23456

the new access in remote:
login : $jehanno
pwd : ThomX23456

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