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Entry   Temperature control of the Laser length with the inside Peltier, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

bunker temperature @ 22.5°C

today, Sebastien Pitrel improved its python software to manually control the laser peltier.
we were able to make to some test. unfortunately, doing only one step change the 500MHz relative frequency by ~400Hz (see the attached plot from 480Hz to 100Hz which is the laser harmonic @500MHz compared to the RF reference @500MHz), which is equivalent to a round trip length variation of 8µm !!!
the present PZT's ranges are equivalent to 400nm of the round trip length. the laser PZT range could be extended by a factor 10 if one drives it using 100V instead of 10V actually, but it would not be enough to be able to use the Peltier ! :-(

if the Peltier changes the inox baseplate of the laser, the relative length change is 1e-5 /K which is equivalent to 100µm/K of the round trip length.
it means the internal temperature steps, done by the peltier, are around 0.08K.
maybe we could try to have smaller steps by using an external thermal setup ?

Entry   Laser / FP-cavity "day by day" locking, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

today, we locked the FP cavity at ~50kW with 30% laser amplifier ratio (16W) during almost all the day (from 10am to 4pm)
CEP optimized for MCS-1/Ch2 = -244µm at the end of the day.

once one finds the proper CEP value to reach to correct loops gain, the cavity lock and power are very stable:
one looses the lock only when one needs to use the Smaract motors to follow the long temperature drifts.
several elements of the ThomX machine have been powered ON progressively during the lock without any lock perturbation excepting for a very short time when switching ON the RF cavity (to be confirmed) and when one tried to inject electrons into the ring (loss of the electrons after few turns only)... but it's not very clear. the lock is still stable but some time one sees a lock loss without "reason"... could it be the electron loss or some bad compensation of the noise due to feedback, it's hard to say.

at the end of the day, I had to realign the FP-cavity injection and change the CEP more often than in the morning,
and surprisingly, the intra-cavity power drops a little bit at the begining of the lock (~50kW) and after some tenth of seconds (=> ~47-48kW).
it is not so much but it is very repeatable at each try.
I tried to optimize the CEP, the injection alignment, the PID parameters => it helps but at the end, I still have this slow power drop of few kW over tenth of seconds that I didn't see at the begining of the day... to be investigated.

 

    Reply   Laser / FP-cavity "day by day" locking, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

as the temperature is back to a normal value ~ 20.8°C, the injected power to the amplifier (PD_IN in the Alphanov software) is back to 3.15mW without doing any alignment.

this morning the lock was around 48.5kW with 30% laser amplifier ratio (16W) after CEP/alignment tuning.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, we locked the FP cavity at ~50kW with 30% laser amplifier ratio (16W) during almost all the day (from 10am to 4pm)
CEP optimized for MCS-1/Ch2 = -244µm at the end of the day.

once one finds the proper CEP value to reach to correct loops gain, the cavity lock and power are very stable:
one looses the lock only when one needs to use the Smaract motors to follow the long temperature drifts.
several elements of the ThomX machine have been powered ON progressively during the lock without any lock perturbation excepting for a very short time when switching ON the RF cavity (to be confirmed) and when one tried to inject electrons into the ring (loss of the electrons after few turns only)... but it's not very clear. the lock is still stable but some time one sees a lock loss without "reason"... could it be the electron loss or some bad compensation of the noise due to feedback, it's hard to say.

at the end of the day, I had to realign the FP-cavity injection and change the CEP more often than in the morning,
and surprisingly, the intra-cavity power drops a little bit at the begining of the lock (~50kW) and after some tenth of seconds (=> ~47-48kW).
it is not so much but it is very repeatable at each try.
I tried to optimize the CEP, the injection alignment, the PID parameters => it helps but at the end, I still have this slow power drop of few kW over tenth of seconds that I didn't see at the begining of the day... to be investigated.

 

 

       Reply   Laser / FP-cavity "day by day" locking, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics courbe_temperature_jeudi9-mardi14.png

temperature since we moved to temperature probe (jump at the beginning of the plot) below the ring on a metallic base.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

as the temperature is back to a normal value ~ 20.8°C, the injected power to the amplifier (PD_IN in the Alphanov software) is back to 3.15mW without doing any alignment.

this morning the lock was around 48.5kW with 30% laser amplifier ratio (16W) after CEP/alignment tuning.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, we locked the FP cavity at ~50kW with 30% laser amplifier ratio (16W) during almost all the day (from 10am to 4pm)
CEP optimized for MCS-1/Ch2 = -244µm at the end of the day.

once one finds the proper CEP value to reach to correct loops gain, the cavity lock and power are very stable:
one looses the lock only when one needs to use the Smaract motors to follow the long temperature drifts.
several elements of the ThomX machine have been powered ON progressively during the lock without any lock perturbation excepting for a very short time when switching ON the RF cavity (to be confirmed) and when one tried to inject electrons into the ring (loss of the electrons after few turns only)... but it's not very clear. the lock is still stable but some time one sees a lock loss without "reason"... could it be the electron loss or some bad compensation of the noise due to feedback, it's hard to say.

at the end of the day, I had to realign the FP-cavity injection and change the CEP more often than in the morning,
and surprisingly, the intra-cavity power drops a little bit at the begining of the lock (~50kW) and after some tenth of seconds (=> ~47-48kW).
it is not so much but it is very repeatable at each try.
I tried to optimize the CEP, the injection alignment, the PID parameters => it helps but at the end, I still have this slow power drop of few kW over tenth of seconds that I didn't see at the begining of the day... to be investigated.

 

 

 

          Reply   Laser / FP-cavity "day by day" locking, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

temperature @ 22.3°C

today, all the PC applications were closed except the web browser.
I had to restart all of them, then try to relock.
(maybe I let the terminal window open with all the apps and someone tried to unlog by removing them ?)

the cavity height was pretty misaligned.
after a rough alignment, the power inside the cavity was back at 49kW for 30% amplifier ratio.

the CEP motor needs to be adjusted a lot during the cavity heating process

Ronic Chiche wrote:

temperature since we moved to temperature probe (jump at the beginning of the plot) below the ring on a metallic base.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

as the temperature is back to a normal value ~ 20.8°C, the injected power to the amplifier (PD_IN in the Alphanov software) is back to 3.15mW without doing any alignment.

this morning the lock was around 48.5kW with 30% laser amplifier ratio (16W) after CEP/alignment tuning.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, we locked the FP cavity at ~50kW with 30% laser amplifier ratio (16W) during almost all the day (from 10am to 4pm)
CEP optimized for MCS-1/Ch2 = -244µm at the end of the day.

once one finds the proper CEP value to reach to correct loops gain, the cavity lock and power are very stable:
one looses the lock only when one needs to use the Smaract motors to follow the long temperature drifts.
several elements of the ThomX machine have been powered ON progressively during the lock without any lock perturbation excepting for a very short time when switching ON the RF cavity (to be confirmed) and when one tried to inject electrons into the ring (loss of the electrons after few turns only)... but it's not very clear. the lock is still stable but some time one sees a lock loss without "reason"... could it be the electron loss or some bad compensation of the noise due to feedback, it's hard to say.

at the end of the day, I had to realign the FP-cavity injection and change the CEP more often than in the morning,
and surprisingly, the intra-cavity power drops a little bit at the begining of the lock (~50kW) and after some tenth of seconds (=> ~47-48kW).
it is not so much but it is very repeatable at each try.
I tried to optimize the CEP, the injection alignment, the PID parameters => it helps but at the end, I still have this slow power drop of few kW over tenth of seconds that I didn't see at the begining of the day... to be investigated.

 

 

 

 

             Reply   Laser / FP-cavity "day by day" locking, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics Screenshot_2023-11-17_11-37-50.png

temperature @ 21.9°C

48.5kW inside CFP for 30% amplifier ratio

Frep Laser motor = 123.4µm
CEP motor = -67.8µm

below the image of the relative voltage range between CFP PZT (pink) and laser PZT (green).
the CFP PZT is driven by 10x the voltage range showed by the scope (0-100V HV output and 0-10V monitor on the Laselock)
one can see on the scope that the relative range of both PZT voltage range is roughly the same which means that the real CFP PZT sensitivity is 10x smaller than the Laser PZT sensitivity.
as the CFP PZT is driven by 0-100V and the Laser PZT is driven by 0-10V voltages, they have approximately the same range which is ~200nm (calibrated with the Laser motor in closed loop mode).

in a previous email, the CFP PZT should be given with a sensitivty of about 4nm/V => 400nm/100V of length range => 800nm/100V of CFP roundtrip range => 80e-9/100V of relative sensitivity => 40Hz of frequency peak-peak range for 500MHz carrier frequency.
there is a discrepancy between measurements (~10Hz peak-peak range for 500MHz carrier) and expected value !

Ronic Chiche wrote:

temperature @ 22.3°C

today, all the PC applications were closed except the web browser.
I had to restart all of them, then try to relock.
(maybe I let the terminal window open with all the apps and someone tried to unlog by removing them ?)

the cavity height was pretty misaligned.
after a rough alignment, the power inside the cavity was back at 49kW for 30% amplifier ratio.

the CEP motor needs to be adjusted a lot during the cavity heating process

Ronic Chiche wrote:

temperature since we moved to temperature probe (jump at the beginning of the plot) below the ring on a metallic base.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

as the temperature is back to a normal value ~ 20.8°C, the injected power to the amplifier (PD_IN in the Alphanov software) is back to 3.15mW without doing any alignment.

this morning the lock was around 48.5kW with 30% laser amplifier ratio (16W) after CEP/alignment tuning.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, we locked the FP cavity at ~50kW with 30% laser amplifier ratio (16W) during almost all the day (from 10am to 4pm)
CEP optimized for MCS-1/Ch2 = -244µm at the end of the day.

once one finds the proper CEP value to reach to correct loops gain, the cavity lock and power are very stable:
one looses the lock only when one needs to use the Smaract motors to follow the long temperature drifts.
several elements of the ThomX machine have been powered ON progressively during the lock without any lock perturbation excepting for a very short time when switching ON the RF cavity (to be confirmed) and when one tried to inject electrons into the ring (loss of the electrons after few turns only)... but it's not very clear. the lock is still stable but some time one sees a lock loss without "reason"... could it be the electron loss or some bad compensation of the noise due to feedback, it's hard to say.

at the end of the day, I had to realign the FP-cavity injection and change the CEP more often than in the morning,
and surprisingly, the intra-cavity power drops a little bit at the begining of the lock (~50kW) and after some tenth of seconds (=> ~47-48kW).
it is not so much but it is very repeatable at each try.
I tried to optimize the CEP, the injection alignment, the PID parameters => it helps but at the end, I still have this slow power drop of few kW over tenth of seconds that I didn't see at the begining of the day... to be investigated.

 

 

 

 

 

Entry   bunker temperature curve, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about detectors and electronics 2023-11-10_to_2023-11-15_-_temperature_curve.png
 
Entry   M4 motor using icepap controller and jive/Atkpanel IHM, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics 

Kevin moved the M4 mirror controller from the ISP controller to some ICEPAP controller.

the IHM to access this ICEPAP controller is accessible by launching 'jive' from any account ('operateur.thomx' for example).

once in the jive window, one has to select the 'device' tab, then select the OC=>OP=>OCH.02-MOT.03 device.

an AtkPanel is launched in which one can change the step values which are direclty the motor steps.

    Reply   M4 motor using icepap controller and jive/Atkpanel IHM, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics 

one problem is the FP-cavity/laser lock loss when one moves a FP-cavity motor.

with acceleration = 0.01 units/s² and velocity = 50mm/s (here, the 'mm' unit seems strange as it is very fast), it's enough to make a move fast enough for small displacements (10 steps for example to center PZT position) and it seems that the cavity stays locked (only the FP-cavity/laser is locked).

=> to be checked when both FP-cavity/laser and FP-cavity/RF-reference feedback loops are running.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Kevin moved the M4 mirror controller from the ISP controller to some ICEPAP controller.

the IHM to access this ICEPAP controller is accessible by launching 'jive' from any account ('operateur.thomx' for example).

once in the jive window, one has to select the 'device' tab, then select the OC=>OP=>OCH.02-MOT.03 device.

an AtkPanel is launched in which one can change the step values which are direclty the motor steps.

 

Entry   Ring frequency / Laser "day by day" locking, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

today, the equivalent Smaract position corresponding to the 500.25MHz ring frequency is +156µm on MCS-1/ch0 (closed loop mode)

    Reply   Ring frequency / Laser "day by day" locking, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics untitled.jpgCapture1.PNG

temperature stable around 20.8°C

today, the equivalent Smaract position corresponding to the 500.25MHz ring frequency is +158.4µm on MCS-1/ch0 (closed loop mode)

it is very difficult to maintain both loops in the same time as soon as it is needed to move one motor (CFP or Laser) because of the one element (RF reference or Laser or CFP) is drifting in frequency.

to try to understand why these 3 elements seems to drift so fast one from each other, we only measure the beating frequency between the RF reference and the free running laser (without lock of the CFP)... and we see a drift around several Hz by second of the beating signal => who is guilty ? Laser or RF synthesizer ?

one can compare their respective phase noise to have an idea of their relative phase/frequency stability :

the OneFive phase noise gives +40dBc/Hz  @10Hz offset in optical frequency which is 300000 (110dB) more than at 1GHz => 40 - 110 = -70dBc/Hz @10Hz offset @ 1GHz

to be compared to the SMA100A which gives -85dBc/Hz @10Hz offset @ 1GHz

conclusion : the RF reference should be more stable in long term and the drifts we see should come from the laser...

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, the equivalent Smaract position corresponding to the 500.25MHz ring frequency is +156µm on MCS-1/ch0 (closed loop mode)

       Reply   Ring frequency / Laser "day by day" locking, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

temperature stable around 21.7°C

today, the equivalent Smaract position corresponding to the 500.25MHz ring frequency is +147µm on MCS-1/ch0 (closed loop mode)

Ronic Chiche wrote:

temperature stable around 20.8°C

today, the equivalent Smaract position corresponding to the 500.25MHz ring frequency is +158.4µm on MCS-1/ch0 (closed loop mode)

it is very difficult to maintain both loops in the same time as soon as it is needed to move one motor (CFP or Laser) because of the one element (RF reference or Laser or CFP) is drifting in frequency.

to try to understand why these 3 elements seems to drift so fast one from each other, we only measure the beating frequency between the RF reference and the free running laser (without lock of the CFP)... and we see a drift around several Hz by second of the beating signal => who is guilty ? Laser or RF synthesizer ?

one can compare their respective phase noise to have an idea of their relative phase/frequency stability :

the OneFive phase noise gives +40dBc/Hz  @10Hz offset in optical frequency which is 300000 (110dB) more than at 1GHz => 40 - 110 = -70dBc/Hz @10Hz offset @ 1GHz

to be compared to the SMA100A which gives -85dBc/Hz @10Hz offset @ 1GHz

conclusion : the RF reference should be more stable in long term and the drifts we see should come from the laser...

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, the equivalent Smaract position corresponding to the 500.25MHz ring frequency is +156µm on MCS-1/ch0 (closed loop mode)

 

Entry   some changes in the feedback scheme, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics Capture.PNG20231108_154711.jpg

from several weeks, the maximum power stored in the FP-cavity was ~ 5kW.

today with Daniele, we finished to investigate the problem, and now the power inside the FP-cavity is back to ~50kW for 30% of laser amplifier ratio (~16W).

we optimized the signal received by the PDH photodiode by installing a large DET100 to collect more light.

if one installs a small photodiode (DET10) in the middle of the beam, the carrier signal when a FP-cavity crosses a resonance is larger because the photodiode "sees" only the part of the beam which is geometrically coupled to the cavity in its small active area, but :
1- once we will improve the geometrical coupling, the part of the incoming beam coupled to the FP-cavity will increase.
2- one need to work with a diffuser in front of this photodiode to precisely adapt the feedback loops gain : in that case the photodiode is sensitive to the whole input beam, whatever his active area size.
so, we decide to put a DET100 (which is given for 35ns rise time / 10MHz BW when connected on 50ohms).

see the scheme in attached file.
and a picture of the desktop with all the lock parameters :

the quality of the lock, seen on the reflected power signal is very good !
and the stability is only limited by the necessity to act on the laser Smaract motors to let the PZT in its working range.
dark blue : transmitted signal
green : PZT
pink : error signal
light blue : reflected signal

conclusion : it is not clear that the cavity Finesse have significantly increased during the last weeks, as we are roughly at the same level than before (47kW).
but as we precisely adapted the signal levels in the feedback scheme (PDH S/N ratio and Laselock parameters), the result is a more stable lock.
 

Entry   !!! strange amplifier beam pointing fluctuations !!!, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics 

this morning, I locked the cavity to ~25kW without any problem.

but this afternoon, the reflected power exhibited low frequency (~1Hz) fluctuations of about 10% without any lock.
the reflected PhD is a DET10 which has a small surface.

we checked the OneFive oscillator power which is perfectly stable.

we changed the DET10 PhD for a DET100 PhD with ~1cm surface : we don't see any power fluctuation => the amplifier power seems stable.

we put back the DET10 PhD : we see these fluctuations of about 10% => it could be some pointing effect !!!
when one locks the FP-cavity, we clearly see exactly the same power fluctuations at the Transmission PhD but complementary => the sum is constant.
so, it seems clear that the beam coupling to the cavity is fluctuating due to some pointing fluctuation of the incoming beam.

a reason of these fluctuations could be the thermal jump done today because of the air cooling system of the bunker :
the temperature jumped from 25°C yesterday (and maybe still this morning ?)  to 18°C this afternoon !!!
thus, some mechanical parts (the compressor CVBG ?) could be moving and then could produce these pointing fluctuations...

    Reply   !!! strange amplifier beam pointing fluctuations !!!, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics 

we confirmed the effect of the bunker temperature on the laser amplifier "beam pointing" fluctuations.
once the temperature is getting back to stable values, it doesn't happend again.

we bought a temperature data logguer to monitor them in the future: https://www.picotech.com/data-logger/tc-08/thermocouple-data-logger

this post close this thread.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I locked the cavity to ~25kW without any problem.

but this afternoon, the reflected power exhibited low frequency (~1Hz) fluctuations of about 10% without any lock.
the reflected PhD is a DET10 which has a small surface.

we checked the OneFive oscillator power which is perfectly stable.

we changed the DET10 PhD for a DET100 PhD with ~1cm surface : we don't see any power fluctuation => the amplifier power seems stable.

we put back the DET10 PhD : we see these fluctuations of about 10% => it could be some pointing effect !!!
when one locks the FP-cavity, we clearly see exactly the same power fluctuations at the Transmission PhD but complementary => the sum is constant.
so, it seems clear that the beam coupling to the cavity is fluctuating due to some pointing fluctuation of the incoming beam.

a reason of these fluctuations could be the thermal jump done today because of the air cooling system of the bunker :
the temperature jumped from 25°C yesterday (and maybe still this morning ?)  to 18°C this afternoon !!!
thus, some mechanical parts (the compressor CVBG ?) could be moving and then could produce these pointing fluctuations...

 

Entry   Tests of pointing stability of the laser CFP, posted by Daniele Nutarelli at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics IMG_20231003_155009_resized_20231009_103610100.jpgIMG_20231003_155458_resized_20231009_103610449.jpg

Last monday with Victor we have cheked the stability of de pointing of the laser FP.

The climatisation was operating since 3 days in satble way. The laser pointing was very stable before to inejct in to the cavity (picture 1) and also for the reflexion from the cavity (picture 2).

That means thant it is necessary to have a stable climatisation operation.

Entry   Laser FP operation, posted by Daniele Nutarelli at Optical room about lasers and optics IMG_20230922_105006_resized_20230922_111612040.jpg

This morning FP Laser was operating well locked at 30 KWatts in stable vay.

There are some fluctuations due tu pointing instabilities probably dues to temperature fluctuations in de bunker.

In the attacced picture are reported the lock parameters and signals.

By adjusting the position of laser caviti length the lock old all de morning.

Entry   Fast feedback loop between laser and FP cavity, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

today, we tried to lock the FP cavity with the Smaract motors ON (with option -LV).
we know the Smaract controllers produce some noise and the lock is very bad or impossible when the controller in ON (whatever the displacement mode is : closed or open loop, or piezo scan).
then we need to do a fast feedback loop on the EOM inside of the Onefive laser.
the problem is we cannot fill directly the error signal (~ 300mVpp) as the signal level is too low to produce some effect.

1- we tried to use the AC-coupled homemade amplifier alone but the output range is too low (+/- 3V)

2- we tried to use the M250 video amplifier for EOM with AC-coupling but the output range is still to low (+/-30V ? => to be confirmed)
but we saw an improvement in the locking.

3- we tried to combine AC-coupled homemade amplifier + M250 video amplifier for EOM with AC-coupling.
we are able to lock (~ 30% coupling) but the lock quality is very poor : we clearly see that we oscillate around the maximum of the Airy peak.
we tried several combination of the global gain (fast feedback + Laselock) using the diffuser, of the Laselock PID parameters but it seems we are not able to lock properly.

we measured a global delay of this double amplification stage of 80-90ns for the homemade amplifier and 150ns for the homemade+M250 amplifiers.
this delay is compatible with ~ 500kHz BW for the feedback => it seems it is not the reason...

we measured also the linearity of the homemade amp => there is ~ 30dB between a frequency and its 1st harmonic even at low signal...
the amp scheme is not very linear.
in comparison, the HV M250 amplifier exhibit > 80 dB of linearity !
we will try to remplace the homemade amp by a commercial FEMTO amplifier to imrpove the linearity and see if it improves also the lock.

we measured also a 100Hz AM modulation on the output signal of the homemade amp+M250.
=> we can try to work in differential (HV+ - HV-) to see if it helps to remove this modulation.

    Reply   Fast feedback loop between laser and FP cavity, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 20230907_182412.jpg20230907_182442.jpg

today, after the several unsuccessful attempt yesterday to get an improvement in the lock,
we decided to "rebuild" the error signal electronics block by block and step by step :
the scheme is basically :
- DET36 photodiode
- followed by a 10MHz low pass filter to remove the laser frequency harmonics and keep only the modulation frequency at 8.4MHz.
- connected to a FEMTO HPVA AC-coupled 40dB gain amplifier with 50ohms in parallel on its input (which is connected to the photodiode).
- connected to a Minicircuit mixer which is also demodulated by the generator at 8.4MHz
- followed by a 1.9MHz low pass filter to remove image frequencies

when this signal is sent to the Laselock box, the lock of the cavity is possible but very noisy.
we need to put a large D values in the PID to maintain the lock at the price of oscillations and gain loss ! :-(

when this signal is connected also to the M250 video EOM amplifier (which is 50 ohms), but this amplifier is not used,
we suddenly got a much better lock (see the attached pictures), certainly due to the 50 ohms connected to the input of the Laselock system => to be verified.
one could have some noise current at the Laselock input which produces less noise at the output when the input impedance is 50 ohms, instead of the several kohms when the input is unloaded...

then, we were able to get a stable lock at ~40kW with 30% coupling and 30% of amplifier :
see this post with the same values : https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/227
but now, the lock has been done WITH ALL the motors controllers ON !!! :-)))
now, we can try to improve the lock with the fast feedback loop.

and the only real problem is the mode degeneracy we need to block with the L-shape.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, we tried to lock the FP cavity with the Smaract motors ON (with option -LV).
we know the Smaract controllers produce some noise and the lock is very bad or impossible when the controller in ON (whatever the displacement mode is : closed or open loop, or piezo scan).
then we need to do a fast feedback loop on the EOM inside of the Onefive laser.
the problem is we cannot fill directly the error signal (~ 300mVpp) as the signal level is too low to produce some effect.

1- we tried to use the AC-coupled homemade amplifier alone but the output range is too low (+/- 3V)

2- we tried to use the M250 video amplifier for EOM with AC-coupling but the output range is still to low (+/-30V ? => to be confirmed)
but we saw an improvement in the locking.

3- we tried to combine AC-coupled homemade amplifier + M250 video amplifier for EOM with AC-coupling.
we are able to lock (~ 30% coupling) but the lock quality is very poor : we clearly see that we oscillate around the maximum of the Airy peak.
we tried several combination of the global gain (fast feedback + Laselock) using the diffuser, of the Laselock PID parameters but it seems we are not able to lock properly.

we measured a global delay of this double amplification stage of 80-90ns for the homemade amplifier and 150ns for the homemade+M250 amplifiers.
this delay is compatible with ~ 500kHz BW for the feedback => it seems it is not the reason...

we measured also the linearity of the homemade amp => there is ~ 30dB between a frequency and its 1st harmonic even at low signal...
the amp scheme is not very linear.
in comparison, the HV M250 amplifier exhibit > 80 dB of linearity !
we will try to remplace the homemade amp by a commercial FEMTO amplifier to imrpove the linearity and see if it improves also the lock.

we measured also a 100Hz AM modulation on the output signal of the homemade amp+M250.
=> we can try to work in differential (HV+ - HV-) to see if it helps to remove this modulation.

 

       Reply   Fast feedback loop between laser and FP cavity, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

this afternoon, we tried to better understand how to drive properly the EOM to kill high frequency noise.

we locked to laser on the FP-cavity as usual.

then we injected a 0-10V square signal on the laser EOM @ 1KHz (with fast rise and fall times ~ 10ns)

we clearly see a small drop on the cavity transmitted power, but much like a sine wave in phase with square signal, because of the small bandwidth of the cavity ~ 1kHz.
then it is difficult to deduce a time response of the system when one injects a signal on the EOM.

because of compensated noise on the PZT signal, one does not see any variation on this signal

because of the bandwidth of the feedback (~10kHz => 100µs period), the possibly visible effect of the square input signal on EOM is compensated quickly,
in addition, the effect with 0-10V input signal is small and superposed with other noise sources => one does not see a clear correlation.
we planned to work with 0-100V input signal but we add a strange issue at this moment BEFORE increasing the voltage on the EOM
=> see next post : https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/261

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, after the several unsuccessful attempt yesterday to get an improvement in the lock,
we decided to "rebuild" the error signal electronics block by block and step by step :
the scheme is basically :
- DET36 photodiode
- followed by a 10MHz low pass filter to remove the laser frequency harmonics and keep only the modulation frequency at 8.4MHz.
- connected to a FEMTO HPVA AC-coupled 40dB gain amplifier with 50ohms in parallel on its input (which is connected to the photodiode).
- connected to a Minicircuit mixer which is also demodulated by the generator at 8.4MHz
- followed by a 1.9MHz low pass filter to remove image frequencies

when this signal is sent to the Laselock box, the lock of the cavity is possible but very noisy.
we need to put a large D values in the PID to maintain the lock at the price of oscillations and gain loss ! :-(

when this signal is connected also to the M250 video EOM amplifier (which is 50 ohms), but this amplifier is not used,
we suddenly got a much better lock (see the attached pictures), certainly due to the 50 ohms connected to the input of the Laselock system => to be verified.
one could have some noise current at the Laselock input which produces less noise at the output when the input impedance is 50 ohms, instead of the several kohms when the input is unloaded...

then, we were able to get a stable lock at ~40kW with 30% coupling and 30% of amplifier :
see this post with the same values : https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/227
but now, the lock has been done WITH ALL the motors controllers ON !!! :-)))
now, we can try to improve the lock with the fast feedback loop.

and the only real problem is the mode degeneracy we need to block with the L-shape.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, we tried to lock the FP cavity with the Smaract motors ON (with option -LV).
we know the Smaract controllers produce some noise and the lock is very bad or impossible when the controller in ON (whatever the displacement mode is : closed or open loop, or piezo scan).
then we need to do a fast feedback loop on the EOM inside of the Onefive laser.
the problem is we cannot fill directly the error signal (~ 300mVpp) as the signal level is too low to produce some effect.

1- we tried to use the AC-coupled homemade amplifier alone but the output range is too low (+/- 3V)

2- we tried to use the M250 video amplifier for EOM with AC-coupling but the output range is still to low (+/-30V ? => to be confirmed)
but we saw an improvement in the locking.

3- we tried to combine AC-coupled homemade amplifier + M250 video amplifier for EOM with AC-coupling.
we are able to lock (~ 30% coupling) but the lock quality is very poor : we clearly see that we oscillate around the maximum of the Airy peak.
we tried several combination of the global gain (fast feedback + Laselock) using the diffuser, of the Laselock PID parameters but it seems we are not able to lock properly.

we measured a global delay of this double amplification stage of 80-90ns for the homemade amplifier and 150ns for the homemade+M250 amplifiers.
this delay is compatible with ~ 500kHz BW for the feedback => it seems it is not the reason...

we measured also the linearity of the homemade amp => there is ~ 30dB between a frequency and its 1st harmonic even at low signal...
the amp scheme is not very linear.
in comparison, the HV M250 amplifier exhibit > 80 dB of linearity !
we will try to remplace the homemade amp by a commercial FEMTO amplifier to imrpove the linearity and see if it improves also the lock.

we measured also a 100Hz AM modulation on the output signal of the homemade amp+M250.
=> we can try to work in differential (HV+ - HV-) to see if it helps to remove this modulation.

 

 

          Reply   Fast feedback loop between laser and FP cavity, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

I copy the post about Fast Feedback loop : https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/265

This morning,

- I installed the fast feedback loop.
now, the error signal goes to the Laselock AND
to a FEMTO DHPVA amplifier which is connected to the Leysop M250 HV amplifier connected through its HV+ output to the EOM.
one can set the gain of this loop thanks to the DHPVA gain potentiometer and to a 30dB attenuator.
it allows to have a fast and stable lock ONLY IF one reduce the FP-cavity gain using the CEP.
I will check later if I'm able to lock at the maximum gain but today, the cavity power is ~ 30kW, to be compared to the 45kW we were able to get before the "mirror cleaning event".

- I had to swap the sampling frequency of the Laselock from 250kHz to 2.5MHz to reduce the latency and improve the Slow feedback loop stability.
with the previous sampling frequency, the fast feedback loop was almost uneffective...

Conclusion : now, this Fast feedback loop is mandatory to lock the cavity at high Finesse or high Gain (G > 10k)

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this afternoon, we tried to better understand how to drive properly the EOM to kill high frequency noise.

we locked to laser on the FP-cavity as usual.

then we injected a 0-10V square signal on the laser EOM @ 1KHz (with fast rise and fall times ~ 10ns)

we clearly see a small drop on the cavity transmitted power, but much like a sine wave in phase with square signal, because of the small bandwidth of the cavity ~ 1kHz.
then it is difficult to deduce a time response of the system when one injects a signal on the EOM.

because of compensated noise on the PZT signal, one does not see any variation on this signal

because of the bandwidth of the feedback (~10kHz => 100µs period), the possibly visible effect of the square input signal on EOM is compensated quickly,
in addition, the effect with 0-10V input signal is small and superposed with other noise sources => one does not see a clear correlation.
we planned to work with 0-100V input signal but we add a strange issue at this moment BEFORE increasing the voltage on the EOM
=> see next post : https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/261

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, after the several unsuccessful attempt yesterday to get an improvement in the lock,
we decided to "rebuild" the error signal electronics block by block and step by step :
the scheme is basically :
- DET36 photodiode
- followed by a 10MHz low pass filter to remove the laser frequency harmonics and keep only the modulation frequency at 8.4MHz.
- connected to a FEMTO HPVA AC-coupled 40dB gain amplifier with 50ohms in parallel on its input (which is connected to the photodiode).
- connected to a Minicircuit mixer which is also demodulated by the generator at 8.4MHz
- followed by a 1.9MHz low pass filter to remove image frequencies

when this signal is sent to the Laselock box, the lock of the cavity is possible but very noisy.
we need to put a large D values in the PID to maintain the lock at the price of oscillations and gain loss ! :-(

when this signal is connected also to the M250 video EOM amplifier (which is 50 ohms), but this amplifier is not used,
we suddenly got a much better lock (see the attached pictures), certainly due to the 50 ohms connected to the input of the Laselock system => to be verified.
one could have some noise current at the Laselock input which produces less noise at the output when the input impedance is 50 ohms, instead of the several kohms when the input is unloaded...

then, we were able to get a stable lock at ~40kW with 30% coupling and 30% of amplifier :
see this post with the same values : https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/227
but now, the lock has been done WITH ALL the motors controllers ON !!! :-)))
now, we can try to improve the lock with the fast feedback loop.

and the only real problem is the mode degeneracy we need to block with the L-shape.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today, we tried to lock the FP cavity with the Smaract motors ON (with option -LV).
we know the Smaract controllers produce some noise and the lock is very bad or impossible when the controller in ON (whatever the displacement mode is : closed or open loop, or piezo scan).
then we need to do a fast feedback loop on the EOM inside of the Onefive laser.
the problem is we cannot fill directly the error signal (~ 300mVpp) as the signal level is too low to produce some effect.

1- we tried to use the AC-coupled homemade amplifier alone but the output range is too low (+/- 3V)

2- we tried to use the M250 video amplifier for EOM with AC-coupling but the output range is still to low (+/-30V ? => to be confirmed)
but we saw an improvement in the locking.

3- we tried to combine AC-coupled homemade amplifier + M250 video amplifier for EOM with AC-coupling.
we are able to lock (~ 30% coupling) but the lock quality is very poor : we clearly see that we oscillate around the maximum of the Airy peak.
we tried several combination of the global gain (fast feedback + Laselock) using the diffuser, of the Laselock PID parameters but it seems we are not able to lock properly.

we measured a global delay of this double amplification stage of 80-90ns for the homemade amplifier and 150ns for the homemade+M250 amplifiers.
this delay is compatible with ~ 500kHz BW for the feedback => it seems it is not the reason...

we measured also the linearity of the homemade amp => there is ~ 30dB between a frequency and its 1st harmonic even at low signal...
the amp scheme is not very linear.
in comparison, the HV M250 amplifier exhibit > 80 dB of linearity !
we will try to remplace the homemade amp by a commercial FEMTO amplifier to imrpove the linearity and see if it improves also the lock.

we measured also a 100Hz AM modulation on the output signal of the homemade amp+M250.
=> we can try to work in differential (HV+ - HV-) to see if it helps to remove this modulation.

 

 

 

Entry   !!! strange FP cavity behavior => impossible to lock !!!, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 20230915_172239.jpg

suddenly, BEFORE switching the HV amplifier ON and BEFORE connecting it to the EOM (in order to explore the HV effect on the EOM for the fast feedback loop),
we lost the lock between the laser and the FP-cavity: in attchement a plot a the lock with the "best" PID parameters.
- yellow: FP-cavity transmission signal
- green: PZT signal
- pink: PDH error signal

the lock was pretty "normal" except that we observed that the intra-cavity power is always slowly increasing from 40kW to ~44kW during a lock, all along this last week.
there are several possiblities for that :
- a slow increasing of the input power (we see the effect on the reflected signal when the FP-cavity is not locked)
- fluctuations of the CEP to the "good" value,
- or more supprisingly an improvement of the Finesse.

after this issue, we tried to change the laser input power (30% to 25%), or the change the CEP => we always get the same result => the lock is either too "weak" (not enough gain) or too "strong" (the system is unstable and goes in oscillations visible on the picture a the end of each lock period).
we tried to change the PID parameters quite a lot to try to compensate a change in the FP-cavity transfer function without any effect => impossible to have a proper lock as before.
we tried to check if the PDH phase, to produce a proper error signal, has changed => no, it was the good one.
we tried to correct the laser alignement to the FP-cavity, but it was more or less correct and we didn't see any change in the locking.

then, one possibility could be that one dust have been suddenly removed from the cavity mirrors by the high power and the Finesse suddenly increased substancially.
=> more Finesse => less bandwidth => high frequency noise are less "visible" in the error signal and we get less bandwith for the feedback => more difficult to lock.
we thought that this kind of problem could be solved by changing the CEP, but in this case, it didn't succeded to lock.

the other possibility is that just before having this issue, we were doing tests on the EOM with a 0-10V signal.
=> could it be possible that the static polarisation of the laser has changed ?
then, we would need to adjust the waveplates in the laser path to adjust the correct polarisation ?
=> not for sure... as the maximum transmitted power at the begining of the lock is the same as before... and compatible with ~ 43 - 44kW in the FP-cavity.

could it be also that the intermediate signals of the PDH scheme are saturated (because of the increasing power : 40kW to 44kW) and produce a "false" error signal leading to instability ?

or could it be a bug in the Laselock ?
=> we could restart it to confirm....

    Reply   !!! strange FP cavity behavior => impossible to lock !!!, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

this morning, we tried:

- to move a bit the arm of the L-shape off the beam axis (in case of it could have touch something and induce vibrations) => no effect

- to change the CEP to get an equivalent lower Finesse => weak improvement

- to add a diffuser in front of the PDH photodiode and check the saturation level after the FEMTO amplifier to avoid non linearity effects in the PDH signal => weak improvement

- to move the half and quarter waveplates in the incoming beam path => no effect

then, we have to work with the laser intracavity EOM to try to cancel high frequencies noise

Ronic Chiche wrote:

suddenly, BEFORE switching the HV amplifier ON and BEFORE connecting it to the EOM (in order to explore the HV effect on the EOM for the fast feedback loop),
we lost the lock between the laser and the FP-cavity: in attchement a plot a the lock with the "best" PID parameters.
- yellow: FP-cavity transmission signal
- green: PZT signal
- pink: PDH error signal

the lock was pretty "normal" except that we observed that the intra-cavity power is always slowly increasing from 40kW to ~44kW during a lock, all along this last week.
there are several possiblities for that :
- a slow increasing of the input power (we see the effect on the reflected signal when the FP-cavity is not locked)
- fluctuations of the CEP to the "good" value,
- or more supprisingly an improvement of the Finesse.

after this issue, we tried to change the laser input power (30% to 25%), or the change the CEP => we always get the same result => the lock is either too "weak" (not enough gain) or too "strong" (the system is unstable and goes in oscillations visible on the picture a the end of each lock period).
we tried to change the PID parameters quite a lot to try to compensate a change in the FP-cavity transfer function without any effect => impossible to have a proper lock as before.
we tried to check if the PDH phase, to produce a proper error signal, has changed => no, it was the good one.
we tried to correct the laser alignement to the FP-cavity, but it was more or less correct and we didn't see any change in the locking.

then, one possibility could be that one dust have been suddenly removed from the cavity mirrors by the high power and the Finesse suddenly increased substancially.
=> more Finesse => less bandwidth => high frequency noise are less "visible" in the error signal and we get less bandwith for the feedback => more difficult to lock.
we thought that this kind of problem could be solved by changing the CEP, but in this case, it didn't succeded to lock.

the other possibility is that just before having this issue, we were doing tests on the EOM with a 0-10V signal.
=> could it be possible that the static polarisation of the laser has changed ?
then, we would need to adjust the waveplates in the laser path to adjust the correct polarisation ?
=> not for sure... as the maximum transmitted power at the begining of the lock is the same as before... and compatible with ~ 43 - 44kW in the FP-cavity.

could it be also that the intermediate signals of the PDH scheme are saturated (because of the increasing power : 40kW to 44kW) and produce a "false" error signal leading to instability ?

or could it be a bug in the Laselock ?
=> we could restart it to confirm....

 

       Reply   !!! strange FP cavity behavior => impossible to lock !!!, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

it could be also an optical unstability, as when the intra-cavity power increases, the radius of curvatures of the mirrors increases too due to thermal effect, and then one could go in the instability region.

but if it was the case, by reducing the power in the FP-cavity, we would also reduce the thermal effect and then, we would come back in the stability region...

and it is not the case : the system is unstable even with 20kW instead of 40kW.

Ronic Chiche wrote:kW

this morning, we tried:

- to move a bit the arm of the L-shape off the beam axis (in case of it could have touch something and induce vibrations) => no effect

- to change the CEP to get an equivalent lower Finesse => weak improvement

- to add a diffuser in front of the PDH photodiode and check the saturation level after the FEMTO amplifier to avoid non linearity effects in the PDH signal => weak improvement

- to move the half and quarter waveplates in the incoming beam path => no effect

then, we have to work with the laser intracavity EOM to try to cancel high frequencies noise

Ronic Chiche wrote:

suddenly, BEFORE switching the HV amplifier ON and BEFORE connecting it to the EOM (in order to explore the HV effect on the EOM for the fast feedback loop),
we lost the lock between the laser and the FP-cavity: in attchement a plot a the lock with the "best" PID parameters.
- yellow: FP-cavity transmission signal
- green: PZT signal
- pink: PDH error signal

the lock was pretty "normal" except that we observed that the intra-cavity power is always slowly increasing from 40kW to ~44kW during a lock, all along this last week.
there are several possiblities for that :
- a slow increasing of the input power (we see the effect on the reflected signal when the FP-cavity is not locked)
- fluctuations of the CEP to the "good" value,
- or more supprisingly an improvement of the Finesse.

after this issue, we tried to change the laser input power (30% to 25%), or the change the CEP => we always get the same result => the lock is either too "weak" (not enough gain) or too "strong" (the system is unstable and goes in oscillations visible on the picture a the end of each lock period).
we tried to change the PID parameters quite a lot to try to compensate a change in the FP-cavity transfer function without any effect => impossible to have a proper lock as before.
we tried to check if the PDH phase, to produce a proper error signal, has changed => no, it was the good one.
we tried to correct the laser alignement to the FP-cavity, but it was more or less correct and we didn't see any change in the locking.

then, one possibility could be that one dust have been suddenly removed from the cavity mirrors by the high power and the Finesse suddenly increased substancially.
=> more Finesse => less bandwidth => high frequency noise are less "visible" in the error signal and we get less bandwith for the feedback => more difficult to lock.
we thought that this kind of problem could be solved by changing the CEP, but in this case, it didn't succeded to lock.

the other possibility is that just before having this issue, we were doing tests on the EOM with a 0-10V signal.
=> could it be possible that the static polarisation of the laser has changed ?
then, we would need to adjust the waveplates in the laser path to adjust the correct polarisation ?
=> not for sure... as the maximum transmitted power at the begining of the lock is the same as before... and compatible with ~ 43 - 44kW in the FP-cavity.

could it be also that the intermediate signals of the PDH scheme are saturated (because of the increasing power : 40kW to 44kW) and produce a "false" error signal leading to instability ?

or could it be a bug in the Laselock ?
=> we could restart it to confirm....

 

 

          Reply   !!! strange FP cavity behavior => impossible to lock !!!, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 20230920_131634.jpg20230920_131559.jpg

This morning,

- I installed the fast feedback loop.
now, the error signal goes to the Laselock AND
to a FEMTO DHPVA amplifier which is connected to the Leysop M250 HV amplifier connected through its HV+ output to the EOM.
one can set the gain of this loop thanks to the DHPVA gain potentiometer and to a 30dB attenuator.
it allows to have a fast and stable lock ONLY IF one reduce the FP-cavity gain using the CEP.
I will check later if I'm able to lock at the maximum gain but today, the cavity power is ~ 30kW, to be compared to the 45kW we were able to get before the "mirror cleaning event".

- I had to swap the sampling frequency of the Laselock from 250kHz to 2.5MHz to reduce the latency and improve the Slow feedback loop stability.
with the previous sampling frequency, the fast feedback loop was almost uneffective...

in attachement, the Laselock parameters and a picture of a lock.
yellow: FP-cavity transmission signal
blue : FP-cavity reflection signal
green: PZT signal
pink: PDH error signal

One has to move again the L-shape arm to remove the HOM
and check if we are able to lock in the same time the FP-cavity on the 500.25MHz reference oscillator... to be done this afternoon.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

it could be also an optical unstability, as when the intra-cavity power increases, the radius of curvatures of the mirrors increases too due to thermal effect, and then one could go in the instability region.

but if it was the case, by reducing the power in the FP-cavity, we would also reduce the thermal effect and then, we would come back in the stability region...

and it is not the case : the system is unstable even with 20kW instead of 40kW.

Ronic Chiche wrote:kW

this morning, we tried:

- to move a bit the arm of the L-shape off the beam axis (in case of it could have touch something and induce vibrations) => no effect

- to change the CEP to get an equivalent lower Finesse => weak improvement

- to add a diffuser in front of the PDH photodiode and check the saturation level after the FEMTO amplifier to avoid non linearity effects in the PDH signal => weak improvement

- to move the half and quarter waveplates in the incoming beam path => no effect

then, we have to work with the laser intracavity EOM to try to cancel high frequencies noise

Ronic Chiche wrote:

suddenly, BEFORE switching the HV amplifier ON and BEFORE connecting it to the EOM (in order to explore the HV effect on the EOM for the fast feedback loop),
we lost the lock between the laser and the FP-cavity: in attchement a plot a the lock with the "best" PID parameters.
- yellow: FP-cavity transmission signal
- green: PZT signal
- pink: PDH error signal

the lock was pretty "normal" except that we observed that the intra-cavity power is always slowly increasing from 40kW to ~44kW during a lock, all along this last week.
there are several possiblities for that :
- a slow increasing of the input power (we see the effect on the reflected signal when the FP-cavity is not locked)
- fluctuations of the CEP to the "good" value,
- or more supprisingly an improvement of the Finesse.

after this issue, we tried to change the laser input power (30% to 25%), or the change the CEP => we always get the same result => the lock is either too "weak" (not enough gain) or too "strong" (the system is unstable and goes in oscillations visible on the picture a the end of each lock period).
we tried to change the PID parameters quite a lot to try to compensate a change in the FP-cavity transfer function without any effect => impossible to have a proper lock as before.
we tried to check if the PDH phase, to produce a proper error signal, has changed => no, it was the good one.
we tried to correct the laser alignement to the FP-cavity, but it was more or less correct and we didn't see any change in the locking.

then, one possibility could be that one dust have been suddenly removed from the cavity mirrors by the high power and the Finesse suddenly increased substancially.
=> more Finesse => less bandwidth => high frequency noise are less "visible" in the error signal and we get less bandwith for the feedback => more difficult to lock.
we thought that this kind of problem could be solved by changing the CEP, but in this case, it didn't succeded to lock.

the other possibility is that just before having this issue, we were doing tests on the EOM with a 0-10V signal.
=> could it be possible that the static polarisation of the laser has changed ?
then, we would need to adjust the waveplates in the laser path to adjust the correct polarisation ?
=> not for sure... as the maximum transmitted power at the begining of the lock is the same as before... and compatible with ~ 43 - 44kW in the FP-cavity.

could it be also that the intermediate signals of the PDH scheme are saturated (because of the increasing power : 40kW to 44kW) and produce a "false" error signal leading to instability ?

or could it be a bug in the Laselock ?
=> we could restart it to confirm....

 

 

 

             Reply   !!! strange FP cavity behavior => impossible to lock !!!, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

this afternoon, in adjusting the CEP and improving the parameters of the lock, I was able to get ~ 47kW stable inside the cavity, always for 30% of laser amplification ratio.

it confirms that the Finesse, and then the gain of FP-cavity, has suddenly increased thanks to some "mirrors surface cleaning"

Ronic Chiche wrote:

This morning,

- I installed the fast feedback loop.
now, the error signal goes to the Laselock AND
to a FEMTO DHPVA amplifier which is connected to the Leysop M250 HV amplifier connected through its HV+ output to the EOM.
one can set the gain of this loop thanks to the DHPVA gain potentiometer and to a 30dB attenuator.
it allows to have a fast and stable lock ONLY IF one reduce the FP-cavity gain using the CEP.
I will check later if I'm able to lock at the maximum gain but today, the cavity power is ~ 30kW, to be compared to the 45kW we were able to get before the "mirror cleaning event".

- I had to swap the sampling frequency of the Laselock from 250kHz to 2.5MHz to reduce the latency and improve the Slow feedback loop stability.
with the previous sampling frequency, the fast feedback loop was almost uneffective...

in attachement, the Laselock parameters and a picture of a lock.
yellow: FP-cavity transmission signal
blue : FP-cavity reflection signal
green: PZT signal
pink: PDH error signal

One has to move again the L-shape arm to remove the HOM
and check if we are able to lock in the same time the FP-cavity on the 500.25MHz reference oscillator... to be done this afternoon.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

it could be also an optical unstability, as when the intra-cavity power increases, the radius of curvatures of the mirrors increases too due to thermal effect, and then one could go in the instability region.

but if it was the case, by reducing the power in the FP-cavity, we would also reduce the thermal effect and then, we would come back in the stability region...

and it is not the case : the system is unstable even with 20kW instead of 40kW.

Ronic Chiche wrote:kW

this morning, we tried:

- to move a bit the arm of the L-shape off the beam axis (in case of it could have touch something and induce vibrations) => no effect

- to change the CEP to get an equivalent lower Finesse => weak improvement

- to add a diffuser in front of the PDH photodiode and check the saturation level after the FEMTO amplifier to avoid non linearity effects in the PDH signal => weak improvement

- to move the half and quarter waveplates in the incoming beam path => no effect

then, we have to work with the laser intracavity EOM to try to cancel high frequencies noise

Ronic Chiche wrote:

suddenly, BEFORE switching the HV amplifier ON and BEFORE connecting it to the EOM (in order to explore the HV effect on the EOM for the fast feedback loop),
we lost the lock between the laser and the FP-cavity: in attchement a plot a the lock with the "best" PID parameters.
- yellow: FP-cavity transmission signal
- green: PZT signal
- pink: PDH error signal

the lock was pretty "normal" except that we observed that the intra-cavity power is always slowly increasing from 40kW to ~44kW during a lock, all along this last week.
there are several possiblities for that :
- a slow increasing of the input power (we see the effect on the reflected signal when the FP-cavity is not locked)
- fluctuations of the CEP to the "good" value,
- or more supprisingly an improvement of the Finesse.

after this issue, we tried to change the laser input power (30% to 25%), or the change the CEP => we always get the same result => the lock is either too "weak" (not enough gain) or too "strong" (the system is unstable and goes in oscillations visible on the picture a the end of each lock period).
we tried to change the PID parameters quite a lot to try to compensate a change in the FP-cavity transfer function without any effect => impossible to have a proper lock as before.
we tried to check if the PDH phase, to produce a proper error signal, has changed => no, it was the good one.
we tried to correct the laser alignement to the FP-cavity, but it was more or less correct and we didn't see any change in the locking.

then, one possibility could be that one dust have been suddenly removed from the cavity mirrors by the high power and the Finesse suddenly increased substancially.
=> more Finesse => less bandwidth => high frequency noise are less "visible" in the error signal and we get less bandwith for the feedback => more difficult to lock.
we thought that this kind of problem could be solved by changing the CEP, but in this case, it didn't succeded to lock.

the other possibility is that just before having this issue, we were doing tests on the EOM with a 0-10V signal.
=> could it be possible that the static polarisation of the laser has changed ?
then, we would need to adjust the waveplates in the laser path to adjust the correct polarisation ?
=> not for sure... as the maximum transmitted power at the begining of the lock is the same as before... and compatible with ~ 43 - 44kW in the FP-cavity.

could it be also that the intermediate signals of the PDH scheme are saturated (because of the increasing power : 40kW to 44kW) and produce a "false" error signal leading to instability ?

or could it be a bug in the Laselock ?
=> we could restart it to confirm....

 

 

 

 

Entry   drift calculation for the SMA100A, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics Capture1.PNGCapture2.PNG

the goal is to estimate what could be the frequency drift at 500MHz for the SMA100A: see phase noise datasheet in attachement

Sphi(f) = FFT ( Rphi(T) ) = FFT ( < Phi(t) Phi(t+T) > )

at low frequency, Sphi(f) ~ A / (f^n) = A*(2pi)^n / (i2pi*f)^n => Rphi(T) = A*(2pi)^n*T^(n-1) / (n-1)!

for the SMA100A : n ~ 2 and A =10^-7 at f0=1GHz with B22 option

=> Rphi(T) ~ 4e-6*T

 

 

Entry   work with HV voltage on the Laselock, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

presently, the voltage on the laser PZT is 0-10V, but during the several runs we did, this voltage is too low to compensate low frequency fluctuations:
we need to change often the motors position implying a cavity lock loss.

we have to check if running the laser PZT with the HV output of the Laselock is possible without too much additionnal noise.
=> it can be done simultaneously with the fast feedback loop implementation, which has to be done.

    Reply   work with HV voltage on the Laselock, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

Yesterday, I checked the 2 output HV channels of the LaseLock : they work properly but the noise is bigger than the low voltage outputs
~ 1mV rms on 0-10V outputs
~ 8 mv rms on 0-100V output

Ronic Chiche wrote:

presently, the voltage on the laser PZT is 0-10V, but during the several runs we did, this voltage is too low to compensate low frequency fluctuations:
we need to change often the motors position implying a cavity lock loss.

we have to check if running the laser PZT with the HV output of the Laselock is possible without too much additionnal noise.
=> it can be done simultaneously with the fast feedback loop implementation, which has to be done.

 

    Reply   work with HV voltage on the Laselock, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

This afternoon, I connected the HV output of the Laselock (instead of the standard 0-10V output) to the FP-cavity PZT to increase the locking range.
I didn't see any degradation of the FP-cavity/synthesizer lock.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

presently, the voltage on the laser PZT is 0-10V, but during the several runs we did, this voltage is too low to compensate low frequency fluctuations:
we need to change often the motors position implying a cavity lock loss.

we have to check if running the laser PZT with the HV output of the Laselock is possible without too much additionnal noise.
=> it can be done simultaneously with the fast feedback loop implementation, which has to be done.

 

Entry   Removing high order modes, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

this morning we locked the laser and the FP-cavity with ~ 40kW => some HOM appeared "randomly" depending on the power.

we tried to play manually on the L-shape arm :
- first, we moved horizontally to put the L-shape in the beam axis
at some point, we saw the power level divided by ~2, we stopped and came back to restore the full power.
- then, we tried to move vertically.
whatever the direction, we were not able to see a clear cut of the beam.
BUT "strangely", at some point, the PZT drift followed the direction of the motion and was not really depending on the "cooling" or "heating" process when the lock stops or restart.
"strangely" again, at the endpoint, the power dropped by ~20-30% after a delock but it was impossible to restore the power when we put the arm at the initial position.
=> we had to adjust the FP-cavity alignment to restore the power !!!
=> we had the feeling that moving the arm could have misalign the cavity axis !!! :-(
=> we have to discuss with Yann and get the CAD files of the cavity to have a better understanding...

    Reply   Removing high order modes, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics Capture.PNG

here is the picture of the L-shape arm and the inside of the vessel.

this image corresponds to the "zero" position on each positionner.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning we locked the laser and the FP-cavity with ~ 40kW => some HOM appeared "randomly" depending on the power.

we tried to play manually on the L-shape arm :
- first, we moved horizontally to put the L-shape in the beam axis
at some point, we saw the power level divided by ~2, we stopped and came back to restore the full power.
- then, we tried to move vertically.
whatever the direction, we were not able to see a clear cut of the beam.
BUT "strangely", at some point, the PZT drift followed the direction of the motion and was not really depending on the "cooling" or "heating" process when the lock stops or restart.
"strangely" again, at the endpoint, the power dropped by ~20-30% after a delock but it was impossible to restore the power when we put the arm at the initial position.
=> we had to adjust the FP-cavity alignment to restore the power !!!
=> we had the feeling that moving the arm could have misalign the cavity axis !!! :-(
=> we have to discuss with Yann and get the CAD files of the cavity to have a better understanding...

 

       Reply   Removing high order modes, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about mechanics | lasers and optics | detectors and electronics 

yesterday with Daniele, we tried again to move the arm horizontally and vertically from the "zero position" to have a better understanding of the beahvior,
but it is roughly the same :
- a clear beam power reduction (=> cut of the beam) when one moves the horizontal axis
- a very small beam power reduction when one moves the vertical axis

as there are no end-position limits on the axis and as it is possible to "touch" the motors or different mecanichal pieces, we prefered to be conservative:
after several tries, one placed the arm at a position where the HOMs seem to be pretty well suppressed.

for the moment, we will consider this arm in a proper position.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

here is the picture of the L-shape arm and the inside of the vessel.

this image corresponds to the "zero" position on each positionner.

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning we locked the laser and the FP-cavity with ~ 40kW => some HOM appeared "randomly" depending on the power.

we tried to play manually on the L-shape arm :
- first, we moved horizontally to put the L-shape in the beam axis
at some point, we saw the power level divided by ~2, we stopped and came back to restore the full power.
- then, we tried to move vertically.
whatever the direction, we were not able to see a clear cut of the beam.
BUT "strangely", at some point, the PZT drift followed the direction of the motion and was not really depending on the "cooling" or "heating" process when the lock stops or restart.
"strangely" again, at the endpoint, the power dropped by ~20-30% after a delock but it was impossible to restore the power when we put the arm at the initial position.
=> we had to adjust the FP-cavity alignment to restore the power !!!
=> we had the feeling that moving the arm could have misalign the cavity axis !!! :-(
=> we have to discuss with Yann and get the CAD files of the cavity to have a better understanding...

 

 

Entry   33MHz oscillator + Alphanov amplifier lock, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 120705_Displacement_of_cylindrical_piezo_ceramics.xls

the last tries to lock the 33MHz + amplifier to the 30k Finesse FP-cavity were unsuccessful.

during a laser Frep scan using the Laselock, one observes that the main cavity resonance is not able to stay inside the PZT scan range from one scan to another (500ms-1s period)
is it the effect of a large and slow phase noise ?

some informations:

- The 33MHz laser came back at lab from repair on March 2018.
- it has been sent to Alphanov in May 2020.
- it failled and has been sent to NKT/OneFive for repair in September 2021
- it came back to lab from repair in June 2022.
- on post #92 (Feb. 2020), it seems that we already locked the 33MHz laser + CELIA amplifier to the ThomX FP-cavity.

- The PZT sensitivity for the 33MHz laser is given to 0,3Hz/V for Frep <=> 2.6MHz/V for optical frequency.
=> 10V on PZT is equivalent to 26MHz of optical frequency shift which is less than FSR !

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the 133MHz laser is given to 3.9Hz/V for Frep <=> 8.5MHz/V for optical frequency.

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the NKT CW laser is given 10pm/100V for Wavelength <=> 30MHz/V for optical frequency

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the ThomX FP cavity (Z20H38x40C) is 4nm/V for length expansion => 8nm/V for round-trip expansion <=> 0.03Hz/V for FSR expansion <=> 260kHz/V for optical frequency !!!
the PZT expansion estimation is in attached file.

    Reply   33MHz oscillator + Alphanov amplifier lock, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

finding the right modulation/demodulation PDH phase is very difficult on the main resonance because the we get non stationnary signals with a lot of oscillations.
changing the phase, in this condition, does not really change the error signal.
Then, we moved on the first secundary resonance with less gain and less coupling.
Thus, the error signal is more similar to the theoretical PDH signal => one can adjust the modulation/demodulation PDH phase to get the maximum error signal.

then, we locked pretty easily on this first secondary resonance, with a coupling around some % when we adjust the CEP motor.

we tried to lock on the main resonance but it is too noisy and unstable.
it seems we really need high BW feedback.

I tried to add a fast analog loop on the laser intra-cavity EOM but without a clear effect.
the problem is the gain of this loop : it is difficult to produce a "high voltage" (above 10Vpp) on this EOM.
I put "my" amplifier but the voltage output is limited... commercial amplifiers will have the same issue.
we can add HV amplifiers but it takes place and it will add some noise on the signal.

A loop with an AOM could be easier to install and manage... but at the price of a loss of power before the laser amplifier...
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

the last tries to lock the 33MHz + amplifier to the 30k Finesse FP-cavity were unsuccessful.

during a laser Frep scan using the Laselock, one observes that the main cavity resonance is not able to stay inside the PZT scan range from one scan to another (500ms-1s period)
is it the effect of a large and slow phase noise ?

some informations:

- The 33MHz laser came back at lab from repair on March 2018.
- it has been sent to Alphanov in May 2020.
- it failled and has been sent to NKT/OneFive for repair in September 2021
- it came back to lab from repair in June 2022.
- on post #92 (Feb. 2020), it seems that we already locked the 33MHz laser + CELIA amplifier to the ThomX FP-cavity.

- The PZT sensitivity for the 33MHz laser is given to 0,3Hz/V for Frep <=> 2.6MHz/V for optical frequency.
=> 10V on PZT is equivalent to 26MHz of optical frequency shift which is less than FSR !

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the 133MHz laser is given to 3.9Hz/V for Frep <=> 8.5MHz/V for optical frequency.

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the NKT CW laser is given 10pm/100V for Wavelength <=> 30MHz/V for optical frequency

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the ThomX FP cavity (Z20H38x40C) is 4nm/V for length expansion => 8nm/V for round-trip expansion <=> 0.03Hz/V for FSR expansion <=> 260kHz/V for optical frequency !!!
the PZT expansion estimation is in attached file.

 

       Reply   33MHz oscillator + Alphanov amplifier lock, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics M250_Video_Amplifier.pdfM250_manual.pdf

today with Daniele, we locked easily (but with a noisy lock) on the secundary resonance and we tried to lock on the main resonance (with very low coupling ~10% which mean a CEP ~Pi)
the lock was possible but was very noisy.

I installed a fast loop using my small DC amplifier based on OP37 (max gain=100) modified to be AC coupled to avoid to amplify the PDH box offset.
the output votage swing of the OP37 is only ~10V. Thus, the effect of this fast loop on the lock stability is not visible !

Thus, I added the M250 Leysop HV amplifier (see attached documentation), which is able to drive an EOM with >5MHz bandwidth and ~250V swing, after my OP37 amplifier.
with this additionnal HV amplifier, now we can clearly see the effect of the EOM loop which improves the lock stability BUT, even with a poor CEP, the lock is very unstable on the main resonance.
it seems the optical phase noise is still too large and/or its BW too high to be completely compensated.

The next step is to try to remove all the possible noise sources from the optical table:
- the laptop placed on the ionic pump
- the 2 Rigol generators on the table surface
and switch off the controller of the Smaract laser cavity motors.

If it doesn't help, we can send the error signal to a spectrum analyzer to have a better view of the different harmonics involved in the residual phase noise.
could it remain some noise above the present PDH box BW (1.9MHz LP filter) ?

lastely, we can also make an optical phase noise measurement to check if the Alphanov amplifier does not add some noise.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

finding the right modulation/demodulation PDH phase is very difficult on the main resonance because the we get non stationnary signals with a lot of oscillations.
changing the phase, in this condition, does not really change the error signal.
Then, we moved on the first secundary resonance with less gain and less coupling.
Thus, the error signal is more similar to the theoretical PDH signal => one can adjust the modulation/demodulation PDH phase to get the maximum error signal.

then, we locked pretty easily on this first secondary resonance, with a coupling around some % when we adjust the CEP motor.

we tried to lock on the main resonance but it is too noisy and unstable.
it seems we really need high BW feedback.

I tried to add a fast analog loop on the laser intra-cavity EOM but without a clear effect.
the problem is the gain of this loop : it is difficult to produce a "high voltage" (above 10Vpp) on this EOM.
I put "my" amplifier but the voltage output is limited... commercial amplifiers will have the same issue.
we can add HV amplifiers but it takes place and it will add some noise on the signal.

A loop with an AOM could be easier to install and manage... but at the price of a loss of power before the laser amplifier...
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

the last tries to lock the 33MHz + amplifier to the 30k Finesse FP-cavity were unsuccessful.

during a laser Frep scan using the Laselock, one observes that the main cavity resonance is not able to stay inside the PZT scan range from one scan to another (500ms-1s period)
is it the effect of a large and slow phase noise ?

some informations:

- The 33MHz laser came back at lab from repair on March 2018.
- it has been sent to Alphanov in May 2020.
- it failled and has been sent to NKT/OneFive for repair in September 2021
- it came back to lab from repair in June 2022.
- on post #92 (Feb. 2020), it seems that we already locked the 33MHz laser + CELIA amplifier to the ThomX FP-cavity.

- The PZT sensitivity for the 33MHz laser is given to 0,3Hz/V for Frep <=> 2.6MHz/V for optical frequency.
=> 10V on PZT is equivalent to 26MHz of optical frequency shift which is less than FSR !

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the 133MHz laser is given to 3.9Hz/V for Frep <=> 8.5MHz/V for optical frequency.

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the NKT CW laser is given 10pm/100V for Wavelength <=> 30MHz/V for optical frequency

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the ThomX FP cavity (Z20H38x40C) is 4nm/V for length expansion => 8nm/V for round-trip expansion <=> 0.03Hz/V for FSR expansion <=> 260kHz/V for optical frequency !!!
the PZT expansion estimation is in attached file.

 

 

          Reply   33MHz oscillator + Alphanov amplifier lock, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

After removing the 2 generators from the optical table, the lock is much more stable and now, it is possible to lock on the main resonance with a poor CEP but with quite good stability.
the coupling is still very low ~ 5% for that CEP but if one improves it (CEP ->0), using the laser double-wedge motor, one clearly sees an improvement of the coupling... but at the cost of the lock stability.

the reason of the poor coupling is also because the laser amplifier is used at 0%, for which we know the part of the laser signal power, compared to the total power, is low.
(a part of the beam @1030nm is not propagating in the fiber core of the amp, and then, it cannot be coupled to the FP-cavity).

the fast lock loop on the EOM has been disabled for the moment.
it has to be installed back to improve the stability at a better CEP.

at present, the FP-cavity power is estimated at ~ 90W (~270µW in transmission of ~3ppm mirrors) for ~300mW of total power coming from the laser amp.

next steps :
- in Open Loop : check what is the best coupling we can observe for CEP=0 @ P ~ 10W (laser amp at ~ 25%)
- in Closed Loop : @ P ~ 10W => measure the best transmitted power after alignement/polarization/feedback adjust => ~ 3-10kW in the cavity ?

 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today with Daniele, we locked easily (but with a noisy lock) on the secundary resonance and we tried to lock on the main resonance (with very low coupling ~10% which mean a CEP ~Pi)
the lock was possible but was very noisy.

I installed a fast loop using my small DC amplifier based on OP37 (max gain=100) modified to be AC coupled to avoid to amplify the PDH box offset.
the output votage swing of the OP37 is only ~10V. Thus, the effect of this fast loop on the lock stability is not visible !

Thus, I added the M250 Leysop HV amplifier (see attached documentation), which is able to drive an EOM with >5MHz bandwidth and ~250V swing, after my OP37 amplifier.
with this additionnal HV amplifier, now we can clearly see the effect of the EOM loop which improves the lock stability BUT, even with a poor CEP, the lock is very unstable on the main resonance.
it seems the optical phase noise is still too large and/or its BW too high to be completely compensated.

The next step is to try to remove all the possible noise sources from the optical table:
- the laptop placed on the ionic pump
- the 2 Rigol generators on the table surface
and switch off the controller of the Smaract laser cavity motors.

If it doesn't help, we can send the error signal to a spectrum analyzer to have a better view of the different harmonics involved in the residual phase noise.
could it remain some noise above the present PDH box BW (1.9MHz LP filter) ?

lastely, we can also make an optical phase noise measurement to check if the Alphanov amplifier does not add some noise.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

finding the right modulation/demodulation PDH phase is very difficult on the main resonance because the we get non stationnary signals with a lot of oscillations.
changing the phase, in this condition, does not really change the error signal.
Then, we moved on the first secundary resonance with less gain and less coupling.
Thus, the error signal is more similar to the theoretical PDH signal => one can adjust the modulation/demodulation PDH phase to get the maximum error signal.

then, we locked pretty easily on this first secondary resonance, with a coupling around some % when we adjust the CEP motor.

we tried to lock on the main resonance but it is too noisy and unstable.
it seems we really need high BW feedback.

I tried to add a fast analog loop on the laser intra-cavity EOM but without a clear effect.
the problem is the gain of this loop : it is difficult to produce a "high voltage" (above 10Vpp) on this EOM.
I put "my" amplifier but the voltage output is limited... commercial amplifiers will have the same issue.
we can add HV amplifiers but it takes place and it will add some noise on the signal.

A loop with an AOM could be easier to install and manage... but at the price of a loss of power before the laser amplifier...
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

the last tries to lock the 33MHz + amplifier to the 30k Finesse FP-cavity were unsuccessful.

during a laser Frep scan using the Laselock, one observes that the main cavity resonance is not able to stay inside the PZT scan range from one scan to another (500ms-1s period)
is it the effect of a large and slow phase noise ?

some informations:

- The 33MHz laser came back at lab from repair on March 2018.
- it has been sent to Alphanov in May 2020.
- it failled and has been sent to NKT/OneFive for repair in September 2021
- it came back to lab from repair in June 2022.
- on post #92 (Feb. 2020), it seems that we already locked the 33MHz laser + CELIA amplifier to the ThomX FP-cavity.

- The PZT sensitivity for the 33MHz laser is given to 0,3Hz/V for Frep <=> 2.6MHz/V for optical frequency.
=> 10V on PZT is equivalent to 26MHz of optical frequency shift which is less than FSR !

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the 133MHz laser is given to 3.9Hz/V for Frep <=> 8.5MHz/V for optical frequency.

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the NKT CW laser is given 10pm/100V for Wavelength <=> 30MHz/V for optical frequency

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the ThomX FP cavity (Z20H38x40C) is 4nm/V for length expansion => 8nm/V for round-trip expansion <=> 0.03Hz/V for FSR expansion <=> 260kHz/V for optical frequency !!!
the PZT expansion estimation is in attached file.

 

 

 

             Reply   33MHz oscillator + Alphanov amplifier lock, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics PDH_error_signal_with_Smaract_motors_ON-OFF.jpgLock_at_amp_@30%.jpg10kW_in_remote.jpg

this morning, I tested the laser+amplifier @ 30% lock on the FP cavity with and without Smaract motors.

I recorded the PDH error signal during a lock:
- blue   : with Smaract motors controller powered ON but motors are stopped
- yellow: with Smaract motors controller powered OFF

with Smaract motors controller powered ON and motors stopped, one can see a group of resonances around 10kHz (8 - 11 - 14kHz) which disappears when the controller is powered OFF.
one can see also a group of resonances around 25-30kHz for which some peaks desappear when the controller is OFF but most of them are still there... could it come from noise on the Onefive laser PZT ?
one can see also a noise reduction at low frequency with a corner frequency around 17kHz, which could be the Unity Gain Bandwidth of the feedback loop on the laser PZT (fast feedback loop on EOM was disconnected)
=> to be confirmed

*************************************************************************************************************************************************************

I was able to lock with a decent noise on transmission and reflection signals @ Pin=17W (30%) of input power and with a coupling ~ 20%.
I measured 31mW in transmission => Pcav ~ 10.3kW (T ~ 3ppm)
as T1=115 ppm and F=30000, the cavity gain is T1*(F/pi)^2 = 10.5k,
so, the FP cavity power should have been 17W * 20% * 10,5k = 35.7 kW !!! (maybe the formula is wrong if the coupling loss comes from the CEP detuning effect)
=> we have to check the incoming power and the formula !

so, maximum expected power in FP-cavity could be 70W * 100% * 10,5k * (10.3/35.7) = 210 kW !!! :-(

*************************************************************************************************************************************************************

I was able to redo the lock easily in remote in the control room (with the Smaract motors controller OFF).

Ronic Chiche wrote:

After removing the 2 generators from the optical table, the lock is much more stable and now, it is possible to lock on the main resonance with a poor CEP but with quite good stability.
the coupling is still very low ~ 5% for that CEP but if one improves it (CEP ->0), using the laser double-wedge motor, one clearly sees an improvement of the coupling... but at the cost of the lock stability.

the reason of the poor coupling is also because the laser amplifier is used at 0%, for which we know the part of the laser signal power, compared to the total power, is low.
(a part of the beam @1030nm is not propagating in the fiber core of the amp, and then, it cannot be coupled to the FP-cavity).

the fast lock loop on the EOM has been disabled for the moment.
it has to be installed back to improve the stability at a better CEP.

at present, the FP-cavity power is estimated at ~ 90W (~270µW in transmission of ~3ppm mirrors) for ~300mW of total power coming from the laser amp.

next steps :
- in Open Loop : check what is the best coupling we can observe for CEP=0 @ P ~ 10W (laser amp at ~ 25%)
- in Closed Loop : @ P ~ 10W => measure the best transmitted power after alignement/polarization/feedback adjust => ~ 3-10kW in the cavity ?

 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today with Daniele, we locked easily (but with a noisy lock) on the secundary resonance and we tried to lock on the main resonance (with very low coupling ~10% which mean a CEP ~Pi)
the lock was possible but was very noisy.

I installed a fast loop using my small DC amplifier based on OP37 (max gain=100) modified to be AC coupled to avoid to amplify the PDH box offset.
the output votage swing of the OP37 is only ~10V. Thus, the effect of this fast loop on the lock stability is not visible !

Thus, I added the M250 Leysop HV amplifier (see attached documentation), which is able to drive an EOM with >5MHz bandwidth and ~250V swing, after my OP37 amplifier.
with this additionnal HV amplifier, now we can clearly see the effect of the EOM loop which improves the lock stability BUT, even with a poor CEP, the lock is very unstable on the main resonance.
it seems the optical phase noise is still too large and/or its BW too high to be completely compensated.

The next step is to try to remove all the possible noise sources from the optical table:
- the laptop placed on the ionic pump
- the 2 Rigol generators on the table surface
and switch off the controller of the Smaract laser cavity motors.

If it doesn't help, we can send the error signal to a spectrum analyzer to have a better view of the different harmonics involved in the residual phase noise.
could it remain some noise above the present PDH box BW (1.9MHz LP filter) ?

lastely, we can also make an optical phase noise measurement to check if the Alphanov amplifier does not add some noise.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

finding the right modulation/demodulation PDH phase is very difficult on the main resonance because the we get non stationnary signals with a lot of oscillations.
changing the phase, in this condition, does not really change the error signal.
Then, we moved on the first secundary resonance with less gain and less coupling.
Thus, the error signal is more similar to the theoretical PDH signal => one can adjust the modulation/demodulation PDH phase to get the maximum error signal.

then, we locked pretty easily on this first secondary resonance, with a coupling around some % when we adjust the CEP motor.

we tried to lock on the main resonance but it is too noisy and unstable.
it seems we really need high BW feedback.

I tried to add a fast analog loop on the laser intra-cavity EOM but without a clear effect.
the problem is the gain of this loop : it is difficult to produce a "high voltage" (above 10Vpp) on this EOM.
I put "my" amplifier but the voltage output is limited... commercial amplifiers will have the same issue.
we can add HV amplifiers but it takes place and it will add some noise on the signal.

A loop with an AOM could be easier to install and manage... but at the price of a loss of power before the laser amplifier...
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

the last tries to lock the 33MHz + amplifier to the 30k Finesse FP-cavity were unsuccessful.

during a laser Frep scan using the Laselock, one observes that the main cavity resonance is not able to stay inside the PZT scan range from one scan to another (500ms-1s period)
is it the effect of a large and slow phase noise ?

some informations:

- The 33MHz laser came back at lab from repair on March 2018.
- it has been sent to Alphanov in May 2020.
- it failled and has been sent to NKT/OneFive for repair in September 2021
- it came back to lab from repair in June 2022.
- on post #92 (Feb. 2020), it seems that we already locked the 33MHz laser + CELIA amplifier to the ThomX FP-cavity.

- The PZT sensitivity for the 33MHz laser is given to 0,3Hz/V for Frep <=> 2.6MHz/V for optical frequency.
=> 10V on PZT is equivalent to 26MHz of optical frequency shift which is less than FSR !

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the 133MHz laser is given to 3.9Hz/V for Frep <=> 8.5MHz/V for optical frequency.

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the NKT CW laser is given 10pm/100V for Wavelength <=> 30MHz/V for optical frequency

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the ThomX FP cavity (Z20H38x40C) is 4nm/V for length expansion => 8nm/V for round-trip expansion <=> 0.03Hz/V for FSR expansion <=> 260kHz/V for optical frequency !!!
the PZT expansion estimation is in attached file.

 

 

 

 

                Reply   33MHz oscillator + Alphanov amplifier lock, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics ThomX_FP_intracavity_signal.m

I checked with the Matlab code below the CEP detuning effect (2nm sech² spectrum... not exactly the same as in ThomX)
@ CEP = 0 => coupling = 100% and Gcav = 10.5k
if all the coupling loss comes from the CEP detuning effect :
@ CEP = pi/5 => coupling = 20% and Gcav = 2.14k (~ 10.5k x 20%)
so, it does not matter if the coupling loss comes from the CEP detuning effect or from beam mismatch or misalignment.

=> we should have more power at 20% coupling, not 10kW but 35kW !!!
=> we have to check the real input power !

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I tested the laser+amplifier @ 30% lock on the FP cavity with and without Smaract motors.

I recorded the PDH error signal during a lock:
- blue   : with Smaract motors controller powered ON but motors are stopped
- yellow: with Smaract motors controller powered OFF

with Smaract motors controller powered ON and motors stopped, one can see a group of resonances around 10kHz (8 - 11 - 14kHz) which disappears when the controller is powered OFF.
one can see also a group of resonances around 25-30kHz for which some peaks desappear when the controller is OFF but most of them are still there... could it come from noise on the Onefive laser PZT ?
one can see also a noise reduction at low frequency with a corner frequency around 17kHz, which could be the Unity Gain Bandwidth of the feedback loop on the laser PZT (fast feedback loop on EOM was disconnected)
=> to be confirmed

*************************************************************************************************************************************************************

I was able to lock with a decent noise on transmission and reflection signals @ Pin=17W (30%) of input power and with a coupling ~ 20%.
I measured 31mW in transmission => Pcav ~ 10.3kW (T ~ 3ppm)
as T1=115 ppm and F=30000, the cavity gain is T1*(F/pi)^2 = 10.5k,
so, the FP cavity power should have been 17W * 20% * 10,5k = 35.7 kW !!! (maybe the formula is wrong if the coupling loss comes from the CEP detuning effect)
=> we have to check the incoming power and the formula !

so, maximum expected power in FP-cavity could be 70W * 100% * 10,5k * (10.3/35.7) = 210 kW !!! :-(

*************************************************************************************************************************************************************

I was able to redo the lock easily in remote in the control room (with the Smaract motors controller OFF).

Ronic Chiche wrote:

After removing the 2 generators from the optical table, the lock is much more stable and now, it is possible to lock on the main resonance with a poor CEP but with quite good stability.
the coupling is still very low ~ 5% for that CEP but if one improves it (CEP ->0), using the laser double-wedge motor, one clearly sees an improvement of the coupling... but at the cost of the lock stability.

the reason of the poor coupling is also because the laser amplifier is used at 0%, for which we know the part of the laser signal power, compared to the total power, is low.
(a part of the beam @1030nm is not propagating in the fiber core of the amp, and then, it cannot be coupled to the FP-cavity).

the fast lock loop on the EOM has been disabled for the moment.
it has to be installed back to improve the stability at a better CEP.

at present, the FP-cavity power is estimated at ~ 90W (~270µW in transmission of ~3ppm mirrors) for ~300mW of total power coming from the laser amp.

next steps :
- in Open Loop : check what is the best coupling we can observe for CEP=0 @ P ~ 10W (laser amp at ~ 25%)
- in Closed Loop : @ P ~ 10W => measure the best transmitted power after alignement/polarization/feedback adjust => ~ 3-10kW in the cavity ?

 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today with Daniele, we locked easily (but with a noisy lock) on the secundary resonance and we tried to lock on the main resonance (with very low coupling ~10% which mean a CEP ~Pi)
the lock was possible but was very noisy.

I installed a fast loop using my small DC amplifier based on OP37 (max gain=100) modified to be AC coupled to avoid to amplify the PDH box offset.
the output votage swing of the OP37 is only ~10V. Thus, the effect of this fast loop on the lock stability is not visible !

Thus, I added the M250 Leysop HV amplifier (see attached documentation), which is able to drive an EOM with >5MHz bandwidth and ~250V swing, after my OP37 amplifier.
with this additionnal HV amplifier, now we can clearly see the effect of the EOM loop which improves the lock stability BUT, even with a poor CEP, the lock is very unstable on the main resonance.
it seems the optical phase noise is still too large and/or its BW too high to be completely compensated.

The next step is to try to remove all the possible noise sources from the optical table:
- the laptop placed on the ionic pump
- the 2 Rigol generators on the table surface
and switch off the controller of the Smaract laser cavity motors.

If it doesn't help, we can send the error signal to a spectrum analyzer to have a better view of the different harmonics involved in the residual phase noise.
could it remain some noise above the present PDH box BW (1.9MHz LP filter) ?

lastely, we can also make an optical phase noise measurement to check if the Alphanov amplifier does not add some noise.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

finding the right modulation/demodulation PDH phase is very difficult on the main resonance because the we get non stationnary signals with a lot of oscillations.
changing the phase, in this condition, does not really change the error signal.
Then, we moved on the first secundary resonance with less gain and less coupling.
Thus, the error signal is more similar to the theoretical PDH signal => one can adjust the modulation/demodulation PDH phase to get the maximum error signal.

then, we locked pretty easily on this first secondary resonance, with a coupling around some % when we adjust the CEP motor.

we tried to lock on the main resonance but it is too noisy and unstable.
it seems we really need high BW feedback.

I tried to add a fast analog loop on the laser intra-cavity EOM but without a clear effect.
the problem is the gain of this loop : it is difficult to produce a "high voltage" (above 10Vpp) on this EOM.
I put "my" amplifier but the voltage output is limited... commercial amplifiers will have the same issue.
we can add HV amplifiers but it takes place and it will add some noise on the signal.

A loop with an AOM could be easier to install and manage... but at the price of a loss of power before the laser amplifier...
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

the last tries to lock the 33MHz + amplifier to the 30k Finesse FP-cavity were unsuccessful.

during a laser Frep scan using the Laselock, one observes that the main cavity resonance is not able to stay inside the PZT scan range from one scan to another (500ms-1s period)
is it the effect of a large and slow phase noise ?

some informations:

- The 33MHz laser came back at lab from repair on March 2018.
- it has been sent to Alphanov in May 2020.
- it failled and has been sent to NKT/OneFive for repair in September 2021
- it came back to lab from repair in June 2022.
- on post #92 (Feb. 2020), it seems that we already locked the 33MHz laser + CELIA amplifier to the ThomX FP-cavity.

- The PZT sensitivity for the 33MHz laser is given to 0,3Hz/V for Frep <=> 2.6MHz/V for optical frequency.
=> 10V on PZT is equivalent to 26MHz of optical frequency shift which is less than FSR !

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the 133MHz laser is given to 3.9Hz/V for Frep <=> 8.5MHz/V for optical frequency.

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the NKT CW laser is given 10pm/100V for Wavelength <=> 30MHz/V for optical frequency

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the ThomX FP cavity (Z20H38x40C) is 4nm/V for length expansion => 8nm/V for round-trip expansion <=> 0.03Hz/V for FSR expansion <=> 260kHz/V for optical frequency !!!
the PZT expansion estimation is in attached file.

 

 

 

 

 

                   Reply   33MHz oscillator + Alphanov amplifier lock, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

we checked yesterday morning the real input power @ 30% for the amp => it is 16W in agreement with the previously measured values

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I checked with the Matlab code below the CEP detuning effect (2nm sech² spectrum... not exactly the same as in ThomX)
@ CEP = 0 => coupling = 100% and Gcav = 10.5k
if all the coupling loss comes from the CEP detuning effect :
@ CEP = pi/5 => coupling = 20% and Gcav = 2.14k (~ 10.5k x 20%)
so, it does not matter if the coupling loss comes from the CEP detuning effect or from beam mismatch or misalignment.

=> we should have more power at 20% coupling, not 10kW but 35kW !!!
=> we have to check the real input power !

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I tested the laser+amplifier @ 30% lock on the FP cavity with and without Smaract motors.

I recorded the PDH error signal during a lock:
- blue   : with Smaract motors controller powered ON but motors are stopped
- yellow: with Smaract motors controller powered OFF

with Smaract motors controller powered ON and motors stopped, one can see a group of resonances around 10kHz (8 - 11 - 14kHz) which disappears when the controller is powered OFF.
one can see also a group of resonances around 25-30kHz for which some peaks desappear when the controller is OFF but most of them are still there... could it come from noise on the Onefive laser PZT ?
one can see also a noise reduction at low frequency with a corner frequency around 17kHz, which could be the Unity Gain Bandwidth of the feedback loop on the laser PZT (fast feedback loop on EOM was disconnected)
=> to be confirmed

*************************************************************************************************************************************************************

I was able to lock with a decent noise on transmission and reflection signals @ Pin=17W (30%) of input power and with a coupling ~ 20%.
I measured 31mW in transmission => Pcav ~ 10.3kW (T ~ 3ppm)
as T1=115 ppm and F=30000, the cavity gain is T1*(F/pi)^2 = 10.5k,
so, the FP cavity power should have been 17W * 20% * 10,5k = 35.7 kW !!! (maybe the formula is wrong if the coupling loss comes from the CEP detuning effect)
=> we have to check the incoming power and the formula !

so, maximum expected power in FP-cavity could be 70W * 100% * 10,5k * (10.3/35.7) = 210 kW !!! :-(

*************************************************************************************************************************************************************

I was able to redo the lock easily in remote in the control room (with the Smaract motors controller OFF).

Ronic Chiche wrote:

After removing the 2 generators from the optical table, the lock is much more stable and now, it is possible to lock on the main resonance with a poor CEP but with quite good stability.
the coupling is still very low ~ 5% for that CEP but if one improves it (CEP ->0), using the laser double-wedge motor, one clearly sees an improvement of the coupling... but at the cost of the lock stability.

the reason of the poor coupling is also because the laser amplifier is used at 0%, for which we know the part of the laser signal power, compared to the total power, is low.
(a part of the beam @1030nm is not propagating in the fiber core of the amp, and then, it cannot be coupled to the FP-cavity).

the fast lock loop on the EOM has been disabled for the moment.
it has to be installed back to improve the stability at a better CEP.

at present, the FP-cavity power is estimated at ~ 90W (~270µW in transmission of ~3ppm mirrors) for ~300mW of total power coming from the laser amp.

next steps :
- in Open Loop : check what is the best coupling we can observe for CEP=0 @ P ~ 10W (laser amp at ~ 25%)
- in Closed Loop : @ P ~ 10W => measure the best transmitted power after alignement/polarization/feedback adjust => ~ 3-10kW in the cavity ?

 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today with Daniele, we locked easily (but with a noisy lock) on the secundary resonance and we tried to lock on the main resonance (with very low coupling ~10% which mean a CEP ~Pi)
the lock was possible but was very noisy.

I installed a fast loop using my small DC amplifier based on OP37 (max gain=100) modified to be AC coupled to avoid to amplify the PDH box offset.
the output votage swing of the OP37 is only ~10V. Thus, the effect of this fast loop on the lock stability is not visible !

Thus, I added the M250 Leysop HV amplifier (see attached documentation), which is able to drive an EOM with >5MHz bandwidth and ~250V swing, after my OP37 amplifier.
with this additionnal HV amplifier, now we can clearly see the effect of the EOM loop which improves the lock stability BUT, even with a poor CEP, the lock is very unstable on the main resonance.
it seems the optical phase noise is still too large and/or its BW too high to be completely compensated.

The next step is to try to remove all the possible noise sources from the optical table:
- the laptop placed on the ionic pump
- the 2 Rigol generators on the table surface
and switch off the controller of the Smaract laser cavity motors.

If it doesn't help, we can send the error signal to a spectrum analyzer to have a better view of the different harmonics involved in the residual phase noise.
could it remain some noise above the present PDH box BW (1.9MHz LP filter) ?

lastely, we can also make an optical phase noise measurement to check if the Alphanov amplifier does not add some noise.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

finding the right modulation/demodulation PDH phase is very difficult on the main resonance because the we get non stationnary signals with a lot of oscillations.
changing the phase, in this condition, does not really change the error signal.
Then, we moved on the first secundary resonance with less gain and less coupling.
Thus, the error signal is more similar to the theoretical PDH signal => one can adjust the modulation/demodulation PDH phase to get the maximum error signal.

then, we locked pretty easily on this first secondary resonance, with a coupling around some % when we adjust the CEP motor.

we tried to lock on the main resonance but it is too noisy and unstable.
it seems we really need high BW feedback.

I tried to add a fast analog loop on the laser intra-cavity EOM but without a clear effect.
the problem is the gain of this loop : it is difficult to produce a "high voltage" (above 10Vpp) on this EOM.
I put "my" amplifier but the voltage output is limited... commercial amplifiers will have the same issue.
we can add HV amplifiers but it takes place and it will add some noise on the signal.

A loop with an AOM could be easier to install and manage... but at the price of a loss of power before the laser amplifier...
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

the last tries to lock the 33MHz + amplifier to the 30k Finesse FP-cavity were unsuccessful.

during a laser Frep scan using the Laselock, one observes that the main cavity resonance is not able to stay inside the PZT scan range from one scan to another (500ms-1s period)
is it the effect of a large and slow phase noise ?

some informations:

- The 33MHz laser came back at lab from repair on March 2018.
- it has been sent to Alphanov in May 2020.
- it failled and has been sent to NKT/OneFive for repair in September 2021
- it came back to lab from repair in June 2022.
- on post #92 (Feb. 2020), it seems that we already locked the 33MHz laser + CELIA amplifier to the ThomX FP-cavity.

- The PZT sensitivity for the 33MHz laser is given to 0,3Hz/V for Frep <=> 2.6MHz/V for optical frequency.
=> 10V on PZT is equivalent to 26MHz of optical frequency shift which is less than FSR !

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the 133MHz laser is given to 3.9Hz/V for Frep <=> 8.5MHz/V for optical frequency.

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the NKT CW laser is given 10pm/100V for Wavelength <=> 30MHz/V for optical frequency

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the ThomX FP cavity (Z20H38x40C) is 4nm/V for length expansion => 8nm/V for round-trip expansion <=> 0.03Hz/V for FSR expansion <=> 260kHz/V for optical frequency !!!
the PZT expansion estimation is in attached file.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                      Reply   33MHz oscillator + Alphanov amplifier lock, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

Today, we locked the cavity with input power @ 30% for the amp => we got 40kW with only 30% of coupling (and a bad lock => we could have more power inside cavity).

P@30% = 16W
Coupling = 30% => 4.8W of input power => Measured Gain = 8300

Ronic Chiche wrote:

we checked yesterday morning the real input power @ 30% for the amp => it is 16W in agreement with the previously measured values

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I checked with the Matlab code below the CEP detuning effect (2nm sech² spectrum... not exactly the same as in ThomX)
@ CEP = 0 => coupling = 100% and Gcav = 10.5k
if all the coupling loss comes from the CEP detuning effect :
@ CEP = pi/5 => coupling = 20% and Gcav = 2.14k (~ 10.5k x 20%)
so, it does not matter if the coupling loss comes from the CEP detuning effect or from beam mismatch or misalignment.

=> we should have more power at 20% coupling, not 10kW but 35kW !!!
=> we have to check the real input power !

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I tested the laser+amplifier @ 30% lock on the FP cavity with and without Smaract motors.

I recorded the PDH error signal during a lock:
- blue   : with Smaract motors controller powered ON but motors are stopped
- yellow: with Smaract motors controller powered OFF

with Smaract motors controller powered ON and motors stopped, one can see a group of resonances around 10kHz (8 - 11 - 14kHz) which disappears when the controller is powered OFF.
one can see also a group of resonances around 25-30kHz for which some peaks desappear when the controller is OFF but most of them are still there... could it come from noise on the Onefive laser PZT ?
one can see also a noise reduction at low frequency with a corner frequency around 17kHz, which could be the Unity Gain Bandwidth of the feedback loop on the laser PZT (fast feedback loop on EOM was disconnected)
=> to be confirmed

*************************************************************************************************************************************************************

I was able to lock with a decent noise on transmission and reflection signals @ Pin=17W (30%) of input power and with a coupling ~ 20%.
I measured 31mW in transmission => Pcav ~ 10.3kW (T ~ 3ppm)
as T1=115 ppm and F=30000, the cavity gain is T1*(F/pi)^2 = 10.5k,
so, the FP cavity power should have been 17W * 20% * 10,5k = 35.7 kW !!! (maybe the formula is wrong if the coupling loss comes from the CEP detuning effect)
=> we have to check the incoming power and the formula !

so, maximum expected power in FP-cavity could be 70W * 100% * 10,5k * (10.3/35.7) = 210 kW !!! :-(

*************************************************************************************************************************************************************

I was able to redo the lock easily in remote in the control room (with the Smaract motors controller OFF).

Ronic Chiche wrote:

After removing the 2 generators from the optical table, the lock is much more stable and now, it is possible to lock on the main resonance with a poor CEP but with quite good stability.
the coupling is still very low ~ 5% for that CEP but if one improves it (CEP ->0), using the laser double-wedge motor, one clearly sees an improvement of the coupling... but at the cost of the lock stability.

the reason of the poor coupling is also because the laser amplifier is used at 0%, for which we know the part of the laser signal power, compared to the total power, is low.
(a part of the beam @1030nm is not propagating in the fiber core of the amp, and then, it cannot be coupled to the FP-cavity).

the fast lock loop on the EOM has been disabled for the moment.
it has to be installed back to improve the stability at a better CEP.

at present, the FP-cavity power is estimated at ~ 90W (~270µW in transmission of ~3ppm mirrors) for ~300mW of total power coming from the laser amp.

next steps :
- in Open Loop : check what is the best coupling we can observe for CEP=0 @ P ~ 10W (laser amp at ~ 25%)
- in Closed Loop : @ P ~ 10W => measure the best transmitted power after alignement/polarization/feedback adjust => ~ 3-10kW in the cavity ?

 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today with Daniele, we locked easily (but with a noisy lock) on the secundary resonance and we tried to lock on the main resonance (with very low coupling ~10% which mean a CEP ~Pi)
the lock was possible but was very noisy.

I installed a fast loop using my small DC amplifier based on OP37 (max gain=100) modified to be AC coupled to avoid to amplify the PDH box offset.
the output votage swing of the OP37 is only ~10V. Thus, the effect of this fast loop on the lock stability is not visible !

Thus, I added the M250 Leysop HV amplifier (see attached documentation), which is able to drive an EOM with >5MHz bandwidth and ~250V swing, after my OP37 amplifier.
with this additionnal HV amplifier, now we can clearly see the effect of the EOM loop which improves the lock stability BUT, even with a poor CEP, the lock is very unstable on the main resonance.
it seems the optical phase noise is still too large and/or its BW too high to be completely compensated.

The next step is to try to remove all the possible noise sources from the optical table:
- the laptop placed on the ionic pump
- the 2 Rigol generators on the table surface
and switch off the controller of the Smaract laser cavity motors.

If it doesn't help, we can send the error signal to a spectrum analyzer to have a better view of the different harmonics involved in the residual phase noise.
could it remain some noise above the present PDH box BW (1.9MHz LP filter) ?

lastely, we can also make an optical phase noise measurement to check if the Alphanov amplifier does not add some noise.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

finding the right modulation/demodulation PDH phase is very difficult on the main resonance because the we get non stationnary signals with a lot of oscillations.
changing the phase, in this condition, does not really change the error signal.
Then, we moved on the first secundary resonance with less gain and less coupling.
Thus, the error signal is more similar to the theoretical PDH signal => one can adjust the modulation/demodulation PDH phase to get the maximum error signal.

then, we locked pretty easily on this first secondary resonance, with a coupling around some % when we adjust the CEP motor.

we tried to lock on the main resonance but it is too noisy and unstable.
it seems we really need high BW feedback.

I tried to add a fast analog loop on the laser intra-cavity EOM but without a clear effect.
the problem is the gain of this loop : it is difficult to produce a "high voltage" (above 10Vpp) on this EOM.
I put "my" amplifier but the voltage output is limited... commercial amplifiers will have the same issue.
we can add HV amplifiers but it takes place and it will add some noise on the signal.

A loop with an AOM could be easier to install and manage... but at the price of a loss of power before the laser amplifier...
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

the last tries to lock the 33MHz + amplifier to the 30k Finesse FP-cavity were unsuccessful.

during a laser Frep scan using the Laselock, one observes that the main cavity resonance is not able to stay inside the PZT scan range from one scan to another (500ms-1s period)
is it the effect of a large and slow phase noise ?

some informations:

- The 33MHz laser came back at lab from repair on March 2018.
- it has been sent to Alphanov in May 2020.
- it failled and has been sent to NKT/OneFive for repair in September 2021
- it came back to lab from repair in June 2022.
- on post #92 (Feb. 2020), it seems that we already locked the 33MHz laser + CELIA amplifier to the ThomX FP-cavity.

- The PZT sensitivity for the 33MHz laser is given to 0,3Hz/V for Frep <=> 2.6MHz/V for optical frequency.
=> 10V on PZT is equivalent to 26MHz of optical frequency shift which is less than FSR !

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the 133MHz laser is given to 3.9Hz/V for Frep <=> 8.5MHz/V for optical frequency.

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the NKT CW laser is given 10pm/100V for Wavelength <=> 30MHz/V for optical frequency

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the ThomX FP cavity (Z20H38x40C) is 4nm/V for length expansion => 8nm/V for round-trip expansion <=> 0.03Hz/V for FSR expansion <=> 260kHz/V for optical frequency !!!
the PZT expansion estimation is in attached file.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                         Reply   33MHz oscillator + Alphanov amplifier lock, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

redoing the PDH error signal scheme with discrete components is more flexible and it is easier to check the signal/noise ratio.
now, we are able to get a quite clean lock only with the PZT correction (w/o fast feedback correction using the EOM) even with both motors controllers ON (cavity and laser).

then, one can consider this part is over, even if one can still improve the lock with the EOM.
see this post for that part and some details on the new PDH signal scheme : https://elog.lal.in2p3.fr/FPC/THOMX+commissioning/240

Ronic Chiche wrote:

Today, we locked the cavity with input power @ 30% for the amp => we got 40kW with only 30% of coupling (and a bad lock => we could have more power inside cavity).

P@30% = 16W
Coupling = 30% => 4.8W of input power => Measured Gain = 8300

Ronic Chiche wrote:

we checked yesterday morning the real input power @ 30% for the amp => it is 16W in agreement with the previously measured values

Ronic Chiche wrote:

I checked with the Matlab code below the CEP detuning effect (2nm sech² spectrum... not exactly the same as in ThomX)
@ CEP = 0 => coupling = 100% and Gcav = 10.5k
if all the coupling loss comes from the CEP detuning effect :
@ CEP = pi/5 => coupling = 20% and Gcav = 2.14k (~ 10.5k x 20%)
so, it does not matter if the coupling loss comes from the CEP detuning effect or from beam mismatch or misalignment.

=> we should have more power at 20% coupling, not 10kW but 35kW !!!
=> we have to check the real input power !

Ronic Chiche wrote:

this morning, I tested the laser+amplifier @ 30% lock on the FP cavity with and without Smaract motors.

I recorded the PDH error signal during a lock:
- blue   : with Smaract motors controller powered ON but motors are stopped
- yellow: with Smaract motors controller powered OFF

with Smaract motors controller powered ON and motors stopped, one can see a group of resonances around 10kHz (8 - 11 - 14kHz) which disappears when the controller is powered OFF.
one can see also a group of resonances around 25-30kHz for which some peaks desappear when the controller is OFF but most of them are still there... could it come from noise on the Onefive laser PZT ?
one can see also a noise reduction at low frequency with a corner frequency around 17kHz, which could be the Unity Gain Bandwidth of the feedback loop on the laser PZT (fast feedback loop on EOM was disconnected)
=> to be confirmed

*************************************************************************************************************************************************************

I was able to lock with a decent noise on transmission and reflection signals @ Pin=17W (30%) of input power and with a coupling ~ 20%.
I measured 31mW in transmission => Pcav ~ 10.3kW (T ~ 3ppm)
as T1=115 ppm and F=30000, the cavity gain is T1*(F/pi)^2 = 10.5k,
so, the FP cavity power should have been 17W * 20% * 10,5k = 35.7 kW !!! (maybe the formula is wrong if the coupling loss comes from the CEP detuning effect)
=> we have to check the incoming power and the formula !

so, maximum expected power in FP-cavity could be 70W * 100% * 10,5k * (10.3/35.7) = 210 kW !!! :-(

*************************************************************************************************************************************************************

I was able to redo the lock easily in remote in the control room (with the Smaract motors controller OFF).

Ronic Chiche wrote:

After removing the 2 generators from the optical table, the lock is much more stable and now, it is possible to lock on the main resonance with a poor CEP but with quite good stability.
the coupling is still very low ~ 5% for that CEP but if one improves it (CEP ->0), using the laser double-wedge motor, one clearly sees an improvement of the coupling... but at the cost of the lock stability.

the reason of the poor coupling is also because the laser amplifier is used at 0%, for which we know the part of the laser signal power, compared to the total power, is low.
(a part of the beam @1030nm is not propagating in the fiber core of the amp, and then, it cannot be coupled to the FP-cavity).

the fast lock loop on the EOM has been disabled for the moment.
it has to be installed back to improve the stability at a better CEP.

at present, the FP-cavity power is estimated at ~ 90W (~270µW in transmission of ~3ppm mirrors) for ~300mW of total power coming from the laser amp.

next steps :
- in Open Loop : check what is the best coupling we can observe for CEP=0 @ P ~ 10W (laser amp at ~ 25%)
- in Closed Loop : @ P ~ 10W => measure the best transmitted power after alignement/polarization/feedback adjust => ~ 3-10kW in the cavity ?

 

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

today with Daniele, we locked easily (but with a noisy lock) on the secundary resonance and we tried to lock on the main resonance (with very low coupling ~10% which mean a CEP ~Pi)
the lock was possible but was very noisy.

I installed a fast loop using my small DC amplifier based on OP37 (max gain=100) modified to be AC coupled to avoid to amplify the PDH box offset.
the output votage swing of the OP37 is only ~10V. Thus, the effect of this fast loop on the lock stability is not visible !

Thus, I added the M250 Leysop HV amplifier (see attached documentation), which is able to drive an EOM with >5MHz bandwidth and ~250V swing, after my OP37 amplifier.
with this additionnal HV amplifier, now we can clearly see the effect of the EOM loop which improves the lock stability BUT, even with a poor CEP, the lock is very unstable on the main resonance.
it seems the optical phase noise is still too large and/or its BW too high to be completely compensated.

The next step is to try to remove all the possible noise sources from the optical table:
- the laptop placed on the ionic pump
- the 2 Rigol generators on the table surface
and switch off the controller of the Smaract laser cavity motors.

If it doesn't help, we can send the error signal to a spectrum analyzer to have a better view of the different harmonics involved in the residual phase noise.
could it remain some noise above the present PDH box BW (1.9MHz LP filter) ?

lastely, we can also make an optical phase noise measurement to check if the Alphanov amplifier does not add some noise.

 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

finding the right modulation/demodulation PDH phase is very difficult on the main resonance because the we get non stationnary signals with a lot of oscillations.
changing the phase, in this condition, does not really change the error signal.
Then, we moved on the first secundary resonance with less gain and less coupling.
Thus, the error signal is more similar to the theoretical PDH signal => one can adjust the modulation/demodulation PDH phase to get the maximum error signal.

then, we locked pretty easily on this first secondary resonance, with a coupling around some % when we adjust the CEP motor.

we tried to lock on the main resonance but it is too noisy and unstable.
it seems we really need high BW feedback.

I tried to add a fast analog loop on the laser intra-cavity EOM but without a clear effect.
the problem is the gain of this loop : it is difficult to produce a "high voltage" (above 10Vpp) on this EOM.
I put "my" amplifier but the voltage output is limited... commercial amplifiers will have the same issue.
we can add HV amplifiers but it takes place and it will add some noise on the signal.

A loop with an AOM could be easier to install and manage... but at the price of a loss of power before the laser amplifier...
 

Ronic Chiche wrote:

the last tries to lock the 33MHz + amplifier to the 30k Finesse FP-cavity were unsuccessful.

during a laser Frep scan using the Laselock, one observes that the main cavity resonance is not able to stay inside the PZT scan range from one scan to another (500ms-1s period)
is it the effect of a large and slow phase noise ?

some informations:

- The 33MHz laser came back at lab from repair on March 2018.
- it has been sent to Alphanov in May 2020.
- it failled and has been sent to NKT/OneFive for repair in September 2021
- it came back to lab from repair in June 2022.
- on post #92 (Feb. 2020), it seems that we already locked the 33MHz laser + CELIA amplifier to the ThomX FP-cavity.

- The PZT sensitivity for the 33MHz laser is given to 0,3Hz/V for Frep <=> 2.6MHz/V for optical frequency.
=> 10V on PZT is equivalent to 26MHz of optical frequency shift which is less than FSR !

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the 133MHz laser is given to 3.9Hz/V for Frep <=> 8.5MHz/V for optical frequency.

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the NKT CW laser is given 10pm/100V for Wavelength <=> 30MHz/V for optical frequency

- by comparison, the PZT sensitivity for the ThomX FP cavity (Z20H38x40C) is 4nm/V for length expansion => 8nm/V for round-trip expansion <=> 0.03Hz/V for FSR expansion <=> 260kHz/V for optical frequency !!!
the PZT expansion estimation is in attached file.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Entry   Onefive laser modelock and Smaract CEP controller, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

today, during an attempt in improving the CEP with the Smaract controller CH2, we lost the laser modelock.

at this point, we decided to reference the Smaract CH2 for CEP :
now, 0 mm is roughly the middle of the motor range.
the endpoints of the motor are : +/- 5.9 mm
once we found back the laser modelock, we searched for the region where the modelock was still effective : +/- 1.8 mm

Entry   Smaract controller remplacement, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

previously, we were using a spare Smaract MCS controller to drive the Onefive linear stages (without -LV -low vibration- option and using Ethernet),
during the repair of the initial MCS controller with -LV option.

this morning, it has been remplaced by the initial OEM Smaract  MCS controller integrated by Onefive (with -LV option and using USB).

it worked fine with the Precision Tool Commander 2 software !

Entry   FP-cavity FSR shift, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 20230905_173506.jpg

today, to match the ring frequency at 500.25MHz (15th laser harmonic), we did a frequency shift on the laser using the Smaract motors (not too fast, ~2µm/s, to prevent laser modelock loss)
and we "followed" this shift on the FP-cavity using the FP-cavity motors.

we did several steps during the operation, to control the alignment, coupling and transmission.

finally, we locked again the laser and FP-cavity at 17kW for 30% of input power.
the coupling was quite low ~10%

Entry   Equipments shutdown, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about lasers and optics 

on the August 30rd and 31th, a global power shutdown was forseen for ThomX.

to prevent damage on equipments, I switched off all of them (and disconnected power cables from the wall plugs).

yesterday, after the week-end, all the equipments have been restarted and the cavity as been locked properly.

the power coupled to the input fiber of the amplifier has decreased a little bit from 3.8mW to 3mW during summer.
=> we need perharps to do some alignment on the Schaftner-Krischoff mount.

Entry   ThomX ring injection kicker noise => USB communication issue with Alphanov amplifier, posted by Ronic Chiche at ThomX igloo about detectors and electronics 

several times already, when the electrons ring injection kicker is running @10Hz, we observed peaks at the same frequency on reflected and transmitted photodiodes,
at the exact moment when the kicker is activated. we have in addition, USB communication issues with the Alphanov amplifier... the connection is lost several times.
sometime, the connection is retrieved, sometimes not... one has to stop the Alphanov application and restart it => the laser power get down to 0 % !!!

one way to get rid to this problem could be to add a "metallic sock" around the USB cable, to connected to the ground to remove the external charges.
we could ask also for a kicker shielding as this noise could perturbate several systems in the bunker.

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